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MinutemanCO · September 18th, 2006, 16:41

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Originally Posted by MinutemanCO

Sean and others,

Is it too tall an order to track Moslems in America to determine if there is a mass exodus from our soil?

As I thought further about this... we ought to grab them as they attempt to leave the country. Sorry, that wouldn't be PC now would it?

Sean Osborne · September 18th, 2006, 18:57

Nope, no problem at all. But they won't be leaving our soil, just getting out of NYC and DC for starters.

Joey Bagadonuts · September 18th, 2006, 21:00

Hiya Birthday Boy,

Ya know, I remember talking about this subject with you and Backstop almost 4 years ago at Anomalies...and it was an aggravating subject even back then.
4 years later our borders have literally become a life or death issue....and still nothing has been done.

What good will a North American Union and a NASCO Corridor superhighway be if the land is inhabitable and millions are dead?

I just don't get it. Ya know, if I was a conspiracy nut...I'd have a lot to work with here.

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Sean Osborne · September 18th, 2006, 23:32

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Originally Posted by Joey Bagadonuts

I just don't get it. Ya know, if I was a conspiracy nut...I'd have a lot to work with here.

LOL. Well, that's the kinda stuff that keeps Alex Jones and ilk gainfully employed. :rofl2:

Seriously though... there's so much rubbish going on that it literally does feed such thought... and that may be the intent of some of it. That's what Psyops are supposed to do.

I mean, did you hear Rush Limbaugh's monologue today? He was literally ripping a new one for a whole slew of so-called republican senators.

This is Rush at his finest. An instant classic and goes directly to the point you're making Joey. You're not alone, i'm right there with you in the same though processes. Blue is my addition to the text for emphasis. Yellow is the leadership of the cabal Rush speaks of.

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For Senator McCain, This Is Personal

September 18, 2006

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RUSH: This Week with George Stephanopoulos, McCain was the guest. Stephanopoulos said, "The president said that your logic is flawed, and he suggests you and Secretary Powell --" by the way, folks, one quick thing here. This just spurred a thought in my fertile mind. Armitage is Powell's right-hand man. Powell is opposing the president in his attempts to define Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions. Is it possible to connect any dots here? I think it is. I think the dots are rather obvious here. There's a little cabal that's arranged in Washington trying to thwart the policies of the Bush administration.

By the way, New York Times if you're going to demand the pope apologize, how about demanding that Armitage apologize? How about demanding that Armitage and Powell apologize for allowing two and a half years of time to go by where an administration was distracted, numerous members of that administration were impugned and maligned, all the while everybody involved knowing full well that it was total BS. I have to think half of the media knew it as well. They were just hoping that something would come up in the process of the investigation that would lead them to Karl Rove. Anyway, Stephanopoulos said, "The president said your logic is flawed, and he suggests that you and Secretary Powell are equating America and Al-Qaeda. Is that accusation fair?"

MCCAIN: Well, I just don't think it's right. The difference between us and Al-Qaeda is that they are very bad people. They are people that, when they are in our custody, they deserve nothing except the fundamental rights that all prisoners under the Geneva Conventions, and for the benefit our viewers, the Geneva Conventions were signed and agreed to by the United States and literally every other country in the world in 1949. We have been adhering to that through many wars. Vietnam, Korea, and conflicts since then.

RUSH: Yeah, well, the Vietnamese didn't abide by them, did they, Senator McCain? They're bad people? The difference between us and Al-Qaeda is that they're very bad people? Really? Well that's a change of position. At least we're making progress here. We're going to admit the enemy is a bunch of bad guys. In the past, there's been this effort to establish some sort of moral equivalence that has been ridiculous. They deserve nothing except the fundamental rights of all prisoners under the Geneva Conventions? Well, there you go. They're all fighting for terrorist rights, Al-Qaeda Bill of Rights. The fact of the matter is that according to the Geneva Conventions themselves, Al-Qaeda and any other terrorist from just a ragtag organization, not state sponsored, not wearing a uniform, doesn't even apply. But of course the US Supreme Court said, "Oh yes they do!" Supreme Court playing commander-in-chief, said the Geneva Conventions do apply. But they don't. Everything is upside down here.

Look, folks, there is no question here that this is being seen as a political opportunity. Somebody raised the possibility last week, and I want to put it out there again because I did last week, too, but put it out there that there are those who are theorizing -- you know people in politics, analysts and pollsters and so forth who sit around and, you know, like global warming experts, try to predict the future and analyze why certain people are doing certain things. And there's a segment of the political analyst community which believes that McCain understands he's got a problem with the Republican base, but that he would be helped if the Republicans lose big in November, lose the House, maybe even lose the Senate, because his theory is that that would scare the Republicans into voting for whoever Republican they thought could win the presidency in '08 and maybe pick up some House seats and Senate seats along the way. If that's true, and I don't know that it is, but if it's true it means for McCain it's entirely personal.

I think a large part of it is personal for McCain based on his own prisoner of war experience. But I mean there's little doubt here that there's a cabal lining up against the administration here for reasons that don't make practical sense. So you have to look at them through another prism, such as through a political prism, to try to understand them. The big argument these people put forth is, well, we're worried about what will happen while our guys are captured if we don't adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Are you telling me that beheading is permitted by the Geneva Conventions? Are you telling me that blindfolded mass murder and shotgun death is permitted by the Geneva Conventions? Do you think that Al-Qaeda considers itself subject to the Geneva Conventions when it holds prisoners, and even if it did think itself accountable, do you think they would obey? The idea that our people aren't mistreated already is crazy, and the idea that our people are going to be treated fairly if captured because of the way McCain and Graham and all the others are conducting themselves here is ridiculous. Next question from Stephanopoulos. "But the administration says that all they're doing is taking the McCain ban on torture, the McCain ban which passed overwhelmingly last year, and applying it to the CIA program. What's wrong with that?"

MCCAIN: We want to do it by amending the War Powers Act. What we don't want to do is have nations of the world interpret or, quote, modify depending on what you say, the Geneva Conventions. They have not been touched for 57 years. They are the standard. The Vietnamese treated us rather badly for quite a period of time. That didn't mean that the United States of America wanted to interpret the Geneva Conventions any other way. In fact, they insisted that the Vietnamese treat us under those, and indeed for reasons that are still not clear to me, it was improved.

RUSH: Let me ask you, does it sound like this is all about McCain, as far as you're concerned? It's all about him? Here's another one. Stephanopoulos says, "Do you think the fact that America was holding the Geneva Conventions had any impact on how the Vietnamese treated you?"

MCCAIN: Sure it does. We have to hold the moral high ground. We're the nation that people look up to. We can't lower our standards because others do. We are not like Al-Qaeda, we are not like the bad guys. We're the nation that people look up to. There's a war on the battlefield and a psychological -- or ideological struggle going on.

RUSH: All right, now, there's a premise here and an assumption that offends me, too, and that is that we're already torturing these people, and we're not. Tough interrogation, getting the answers necessarily, apparently it's been working, whatever we're doing. We've got the bad guys down at Club Gitmo. We captured them. We haven't had an attack in this country for five years. We had Richard Miniter's piece in the New York Post last week, went down to Club Gitmo and saw what goes on and the last thing in the world that's happening down there is torture right. I mean, it's not even close to it - just the exact opposite. So the premise here, deeply flawed, as it is, because it's assumed by everybody here that we're torturing. We're out here actually allowing people at Club Gitmo or wherever else to be mean and to torture. About that, let me ask you, people say, well, it doesn't work, you know, all it does, people lie, they'll do anything to stop the torture.

Well, could somebody explain to me why would George W. Bush or the people that run Club Gitmo be interested in false confessions? Why would they be interested in obtaining lies? Why would they be interested in engaging in behavior of prisoners that resulted in intelligence that was bogus and worthless? None of this makes any sense, other than if you look at it through the angle that for McCain, for whatever reasons, they will reveal themselves in due course, this is personal.

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One more sound bite here from Senator McCain with George Stephanopoulos yesterday. The question: "You say you don't want to shut down the program, but the president was pretty clear in his press conference on Friday. He says, unless the CIA, unless the intelligence community says we can go forward, and we can't, they believe, under the rules you are suggesting, the program is shut down, simply not going to exist."

MCCAIN: We are confident that they can continue the program, that they can continue to adhere to the Geneva Conventions, which have been in effect in many wars, and in fact some wars which were far more dangerous in some ways than this, and that they can meet the intelligence requirements of this country. This is a matter of conscience, and American conscience. Are we going to like the enemy, or are we --

RUSH: Oh, that is -- stop the tape a second. Stop the tape. That is so disingenuous, I'm getting mad. Are we going to be like the enemy? Come on, Senator, if you think we are even close to being like the enemy, then you don't deserve to be a United States Senator anymore. If you think that we are that close to becoming the enemy, you need to run for president on that basis. Make the point of your campaign, "We're too close to becoming like Al-Qaeda. We're too close to becoming like the militant Islamists, and I, John McCain, need to run for president to turn this country around." That is offensive as hell to me. It's getting to the point now where this doesn't deserve even the respect of common disagreement and listening to someone's views. I mean, how long are we supposed to sit here and listen to sheer idiocy? This is a matter of conscience and American conscience? Are we going to be like the enemy or are we going to be -- nobody is proposing beheading! Nobody is proposing killing these people. Nobody is proposing torture, and it is not going on now. Here's the rest of what he said.

MCCAIN: There's a war that we are losing in some ways, as General Powell pointed out, and that's our standing in the world, because of our treatment at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, et cetera. We have to keep the moral high ground.

RUSH: Senator McCain, Senator Graham, Senator Warner, Senator Collins, Senator Snow, the issue is how do we protect America. The issue is how do we protect the citizens of our country. The issue is not how we protect the enemy. That is not the point of this war; it has never been the point of any war. How do we protect the citizens of this country is the focus. That's the objective. That's the purpose. The purpose is not to go out of our way to make sure we protect the enemy all the while worrying and hand-wringing that we are becoming like the enemy. No such thing could be further from the truth, Senator, and the humiliating thing is that you know it. It is shameful for you to even imply that we are headed in that direction. Where were you, Senator, back in World War II when we were interning Japanese Americans? FDR was criticized for it after the fact and a little bit during the fact but, we were at war and the Japanese attacked us.

Did we end up becoming like our enemy in World War II when we were bombing Dresden and firebombing ten Japanese cities using the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki? When have we ever become like the enemy? Did we become like the enemy in Vietnam? When have we ever become like an enemy we are fighting? Were that the case, especially based on the way we treat prisoners of war? By the way, Senator, if any country out there who has been an enemy of ours had obeyed the Geneva Conventions, would it have meant they would be approaching behavior such as America? Let's say that Al-Qaeda does agree with the Geneva Conventions, which is absurd, I can't believe I'm saying this, let's say Al-Qaeda decided, "You know what? If you guys stop torturing at Abu Ghraib and at Club Gitmo, we'll behave just like you do at the hands of the Geneva Convention," is it going to mean that Al-Qaeda will become more like America, Senator McCain?

No one is changing the Geneva Conventions. Our Supreme Court decided to apply the Geneva Convention to terrorists, then the court decided that a section of the convention not relevant to an international war would be applied to terrorists. That's Common Article 3. And now McCain, Warner, Graham are insisting that interpreting that section of the convention that supposedly prevents humiliating or degrading treatment of terrorists should be remain so vague as to make interrogations impossible and expose those doing the interrogations vulnerable to lawsuits by the terrorists. In other words, if this doesn't change -- the reason why the president is shutting down the program or says he's going to shut it down, is because he's not going to have brave American interrogators and military personnel and CIA agents tried as war crimes at the Hague, which is what the president has made clear and he's made clear that he's not going to allow it to happen, he's made clear that that would be one of the outcomes of this. Senator McCain, you and your comrades are dismissing the real focus here, and that is how do we protect our citizens, not the enemy.

The president is constantly talking about protecting our citizens. And the need for these interrogations toward that end. But McCain and Graham and Warner constantly talking about terrorist rights and how Europe will view us? Why, it sounds Clintonian. It sounds like it would be coming from Al Gore. Sounds like Howard Dean could say it. Sounds like any Democrat -- sounds like Dick Durbin. Senator McCain and Dick Durbin are indistinguishable. Senator Graham and Dick Durbin are indistinguishable. And if you think our Supreme Court as currently constituted wouldn't allow our CIA to be held for war crimes, some of them like international law after all, I mean we gotta abide and care about what they're doing in other countries and their legal systems. McCain says he wants to keep the program. He says if we don't change it we'll be like the enemy. It's not about being nice to the enemy. It's not about protecting the enemy. In fact, no nation who ever sought to protect the enemy ever emerged victorious in a war. Here's Secretary Powell, ladies and gentlemen. This morning, I don't know where he was, but he said this about Common Article 3.

POWELL: As a soldier, I believe that the Geneva Convention, all parts of it, especially Common Article 3, should not be modified, explained, clarified, or redefined in any way.

RUSH: Well, okay, he's got infallibility, he's a soldier. He says Common Article 3 of the convention shouldn't be touched, and he was a soldier, so he can't be criticized. He's infallible, because he could have been tortured, because he was a soldier. So we can't disagree with Secretary Powell. Nobody is changing, as I say, the Geneva Convention. These guys are all upset, well, if we interpret it our way then what's the rest of the world going to do in the way they interpret it? If you leave it up to the rest of the world, they're going to interpret it their own way anyway. Particularly the enemy. Let's move on to vice president Lindsey Graham, who was on Face the Nation with Bob Schieffer. Question, "Senator Graham, explain to me what you mean when you say if an American is captured, let's say in Iran?"

GRAHAM: What would happen if a CIA agent were captured in Iran trying to suppress their nuclear program and the Iranian government put this person on trial as a war criminal, and the Iranian prosecutor had a file marked "secret," gave it to their judge and their jury and said, "convict this man," and they never shared the evidence with the American agent, we would go nuts. We would say that secret trial violates the Geneva Convention standards for trying people. What would we do if the Iranians sentenced an American to death based on evidence the American never saw, we would go crazy.

RUSH: Why are you bringing up Iran? Why don't you go into Iraq? Why don't you talk about the American troops who are already being murdered in captivity and other American citizens? Why bring up a hypothetical that hasn't happened yet? The fact of the matter is, I don't think we are outraged enough by what happens to American prisoners of war around the world. I don't think we care enough. I don't think we do nothing but strenuously object. What do you mean, go nuts? The country is going nuts over your attitude, Senator Graham. The country is going nuts over your reluctance to understand that this is not about protecting the enemy, it is about protecting the citizens of the United States of America. Your attitude seems to make me think, and others, that you are making that a secondary concern.

(interruption) Well, that's the point. I have to laugh when he cites Iran as some sort of beacon for judicial integrity. Where the hell is it written that Iran has an American fair and justice system that is a model of the world anyway? Notice all these assumptions. Notice all these false premises that are accepted by rote. The bottom line is that if Iran captured a CIA agency, they'd parade this guy in front of microphones and cameras, he'd be blindfolded and so forth, and they'd make up evidence. This is the kind of stuff that makes you fear for the country, because there are already 45 Democrats that think this way. The 45 Democrats are now getting all kinds of cover on this from McCain and Warner and Graham, as well as Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

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Let's do some placating, ladies and gentlemen. Let's ask Secretary Powell what no journalist has asked him or McCain or Graham of Warner, for that matter. All right, General Powell, if you were an interrogator, how would you interpret humiliating or degrading treatment? If you don't think it ought to be changed, let's hear you define it. If it's good enough as it is, let's hear you define it. But of course no journalist is going to ask this question because the journalists love the McCain and Powell angle on this. Lindsey Graham, Vice President Graham, gives this hypothetical about a CIA agent captured in Iran and then put on trial, secret trial with no evidence against him allowed to be known by him. Well, Senator Graham, Iran has signed the Geneva Conventions. Uh, we would expect them to comply with it, chuckle, chuckle. Senator Graham has just illustrated shortsightedness or ignorance. Iran's already a signatory to the Geneva Convention, yet he gives us an example of them behaving in a way that would be outside the conventions of the convention.

By the way, I have to address this, folks. Please forgive me. I've been getting numerous e-mails from Rio Linda asking me about the Geneva Conventions, who can go, what hotel, are there expo booths and this sort of thing, and I just cringe. They think a convention is like the pig iron workers getting together for a weekend in Kansas City. A convention is an agreement -- never mind. You get the drift. Anyway, Iran's already signed it. Graham gives us a hypothetical in which they don't obey it, so what good is it? Does Graham believe that Iran would allow one of our soldiers to access classified information? Does he believe that Iran would conduct a US-style trial with due process and all the rest? Why don't journalists ask these questions? Well, that's a redundant question. They never will ask these questions. Senator Graham, do you actually think that Iran will give a captured American a fair trial? Do you think Al-Qaeda will? Is Al-Qaeda even -- by the way, if they're going to benefit from the Geneva Convention, are they also held to it? Anybody remember the name Francis Gary Powers? Francis Gary Powers, U-2 pilot shot down over Soviet Russia.

Now, we're going to have to double-check this, because this is in the sixties, but I think that Francis Gary Powers was put on secret trial and evidence against him used that was made up and fabricated, and they were a signatory to the Geneva Conventions. Would a CIA agent -- let's say, let's do this, folks. How about if Joseph Wilson were sent on a secret mission to Iran to determine whether or not the Iranians are actually enriching uranium for a weapons program, and let's say Joseph Wilson was caught. Do you think that he would live long enough for there to be a trial? Well, he's a bad example, because he'd come back -- the Iranians know he'd come back and say there was no plan. So forget using Joseph -- If a CIA agent were captured in Iran, would he even live long enough to see a trial? At any rate, the whole thing here is just so upside down it gets frustrating to continue to try to analyze this.

You know, it wasn't until this summer Vice President Graham and the Supreme Court issued its Hamdan decision that anyone in our government believed that Common Article 3 applied to terrorists. Nobody ever thought it. Now all of a sudden you guys think it always has, just because the Supreme Court said so? So what were we before the ruling? No different than Al-Qaeda? Supreme Court voted 5-3. Justice Roberts recused himself because he wrote the decision issued by the Fourth Circuit which ruled that it did not apply. So was the Fourth Circuit court of appeals and were those three judges rejecting 200 years of American history, were those judges like Al-Qaeda, too? And yet you voted to confirm Roberts even though he took a position totally opposite your present position on this very issue of Common Article 3.

Joey Bagadonuts · September 19th, 2006, 02:42

(Just a brief momentary diversion from the topic...as this has to do with border security and terrorism.)

Apparently Pat Buchanan isn't as patient on the border security issue as I am.

*yellow font is my emphasis*

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52019

INVASION USA
Pat Buchanan: Impeach Bush over illegal aliens
Republican calls president 'derelict' in duty: 'This is not Ellis Island, this is an invasion'
Posted: September 17, 2006
4:26 p.m. Eastern

Â© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Pat Buchanan

Author Pat Buchanan says President Bush should be impeached for failing to stop the invasion of illegal aliens across the U.S. border with Mexico.

"I think he's committed an impeachable offense in refusing to enforce the immigration laws and in failing to uphold the Constitution by defending the states against this invasion," Buchanan told radio talk-show host Curt Smith this weekend on National Public Radio stations in upstate New York.

"When you have 6 million people apprehended on the border and several million got in on your watch â€“ and you have the ability to stop it â€“ I think you're derelict in your duty," he said. "And if the president says 'I can't do it,' you need a new president who will do it."

"This is not Ellis Island," said Buchanan. "This is an invasion."

Buchanan, who is a WND columnist, is the author of the best-selling book, "State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America." The book paints a dim portrait of America's future: "The children born in 2006 will witness in their lifetimes the death of the West."

"As Rome passed away, so, the West is passing away, from the same causes and in much the same way. What the Danube and Rhine were to Rome, the Rio Grande and Mediterranean are to America and Europe, the frontiers of a civilization no longer defended."

Buchanan follows Rep. Tom Tancredo's warning shot, "In Mortal Danger," with some sobering statistics and new ways to consider the crisis. He states:

* One in every twelve people breaking into America has a criminal record.
* By 2050, there will be 100 million Hispanics concentrated in the U.S. Southwest.
* Between 10 and 20 percent of all Mexicans, Central Americans and people of the Caribbean have already moved to the United States.
* Every month, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehends more illegal aliens breaking into our country, 150,000, than the number of troops we have in Iraq.

"Concerned about his legacy, George W. Bush may yet live to see his name entered into the history of his country as the president who lost the American Southwest that James K. Polk won for the United States," Buchanan writes.

In addition to charging the Mexican government with plotting territorial reconquest, the former presidential candidate also says elites in Mexico and the U.S. are conspiring to erase America's borders and merge the United States and Mexico into a "North American Union."

To avert disaster, Buchanan's recipe includes:

* A deportation program, beginning with all illegal aliens convicted of felonies and every gang member not a U.S. citizen.
* A 10-year limit on legal immigration to between 150,000 and 250,000.
* Building a security fence along the 2,000-mile border.

Buchanan points out that the illegal alien population of the U.S. today exceeds the total number of Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who ever came to the U.S.

He disputes those who contend illegal immigration has economic benefits for the U.S., saying instead the trend represents a massive drain on the economy.

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Joey Bagadonuts · September 19th, 2006, 02:52

Hiya Sean,

I agree with el Rushbo, and if I could stop a nuke from detonating in the USA by torturing the truth out of some militant? I'd do it in a heartbeat and with a clear conscience. (okok.....maybe I'd go to Confession afterwards).

I have a lot of respect for McCain but it's about time we took the gloves off. Our enemies aren't honoring any Geneva convention. I wonder if the radical muslims pondered about peoples rights yesterday before murdering the nun or burning those Catholic churches?

SApeaking of nuns and churches.....(rhetorical question) Where is the outcry from the rest of the world at these actions?
Ahhh......I'll save my breath.

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samizdat · September 19th, 2006, 03:56

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Is it too tall an order to track Moslems in America to determine if there is a mass exodus from our soil?

Grab the spetsnaz that control ramon raul or abdul. Hold them at Bolling AFB. No nukes. Guts spilled.

Joey Bagadonuts · September 19th, 2006, 12:07

Ya know....it just burns my ass that McCain is so worried about making sure that terrorists are protected under the Geneva Convention.

How's your memory? Do you remember anyone ELSE who was supposedly entitled to protection under the Geneva Convention?

I'm talking about the Catholic priests who were held at gunpoint and used as shields by 25 Palestinian terrorists who physically forced their way into the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in April 2002. (The Church of the Nativity is built on the site of the birthplace of Jesus Christ and is arguably the holiest site in the world to Christians.)

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Over the last two weeks, 25 Palestinians, including some gunmen, have surrendered. But hard-core thugs are still holding clergy and innocent civilians hostage to protect themselves. They are denying hostages the remaining food and water. They have denied sick priests medical care. They have stolen church artifacts and fired on a Palestinian youth who tried to escape from the compound over rooftops. On Monday, one of the priests lifted a sign in the window, saying, "Help us!"

Using priests and nuns as human shields in the most sacred location for Christianity is not just barbaric. It is a violation of the 1977 First Protocol to the Geneva Convention and is a war crime. Similar cases from the Balkan wars are heard today before the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

Where were alll the worried politicians and the world media who were concerned about THEIR rights? It seems our enemy, radical muslims, don't give a rats ass about the Geneva Convention, except when THEY can use it to their advantage. Well...screw them.

A funny thing about the sacrilege that was committed against The Church Of The Nativity.
NO imams were beaten in retalliation.
NO imams were threatened with assassination.
NO mosques were burned.
NO islamic "nuns" were shot and killed.
NO Christian nations talked of war over this incident.

Where was all the Christian "rage" and "anger"? You didn't see Christians running around like rabid dogs, foaming at the mouthes and screaming for blood and war and death. I can only imagine what would have happened if Christian terrorists used the Dome of the Rock as a toilet stole relics and destroyed the shrine, as the muslims did to the Church of the Nativity.
I guess only muslims have "holy sites" and "shrines".

here's the article......lest we forget.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...ohen042402.asp

April 24, 2002, 9:20 a.m.
The Nativity Sin
War crimes in Bethlehem.

By Ariel Cohen

Taking clergy hostage at gunpoint in a church is a war crime and violation of international law. This is exactly what Palestinian terrorists have done at the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, one of Christianity's holiest sites. Over 50 gunmen took 200 hostages and locked them up, half-starving, in the sprawling church complex. Instead of decrying this act of barbarity, church representatives and spokesmen from a number of foreign ministries around the world blamed Israel.

On April 2, leaders of Palestinian terrorist organizations, which are on the U.S. Department of State "wanted" list, fought their way into the Church of the Nativity. Hamas leaders include Ibrahim Abayat, a senior operative and recruiter; Aziz Jubran, a notorious bomb builder; and Jihad Jaara, a weapons dealer. All of these terrorists have murdered innocent civilians.

Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO)'s Tanzim militia leaders also inside the church include another Ibrahim Abayat, this one nicknamed Abu Galif; Abdalah Tirawi, the head of the Palestinian "general intelligence service" in Bethlehem; Kamel Hassan Hamid, Fatah general secretary for Bethlehem, a weapons dealer and a "money bag" for terrorist operations. These are all Arafat's men, all involved in recent suicide bombings in Israeli neighborhoods, including in Beit Israel, Kiryat Yovel, and Gilo.

Over the last two weeks, 25 Palestinians, including some gunmen, have surrendered. But hard-core thugs are still holding clergy and innocent civilians hostage to protect themselves. They are denying hostages the remaining food and water. They have denied sick priests medical care. They have stolen church artifacts and fired on a Palestinian youth who tried to escape from the compound over rooftops. On Monday, one of the priests lifted a sign in the window, saying, "Help us!"

Using priests and nuns as human shields in the most sacred location for Christianity is not just barbaric. It is a violation of the 1977 First Protocol to the Geneva Convention and is a war crime. Similar cases from the Balkan wars are heard today before the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

Only brutal terrorists would desecrate religious shrines and hurt clergy, but it's familiar from this crowd, as the bombing of a church in Islamabad in March by bin Laden supporters demonstrated. Five were killed, including two Americans. In the Djerba Island synagogue bombing in Tunis, a cooking-gas truck was crashed into the building, killing 16, most of them German tourists, including several children. And on Easter eve, 29 Israelis were murdered and almost 200 wounded in the "Passover massacre" in the Israeli coastal city of Netanya.

Christians have long been targeted in the Middle East. Thousands of churches were destroyed during the Arab conquest in the seventh century. Ten thousand Lebanese Christians were massacred in 1860s, while over 100,000 were killed in the Lebanese civil war of 1975-1990. Thousands of women were raped. That war was provoked by Yasser Arafat's PLO.

The story of the village of Dammur, where 500 Lebanese were massacred, primarily boys, and whose population was expelled in an ethnic cleansing, symbolizes treatment of Christians in the Middle East. But instead of an international arrest warrant, of course, Arafat received a Nobel Peace Prize. Nine hundred thousand Lebanese left the once-prosperous country during and after the civil war, altering its character forever. The vast majority of them were Christians.

In other corners of the region, ethnic and religious cleansing is a reality. The hard-line Muslim government of Sudan, which harbored Osama bin Laden in the 1990s, murdered between one and two million Sudanese Christians and animists in the south of the country. Christian Copts of Egypt, the descendants of the pharaohs, Assyrians, and Armenians are persecuted, their churches burned down, their communities scattered from Paris to California. Bethlehem, the site of the current holdup, was 70 percent Christian in the 1970s. Today it is close to 70 percent Muslim. Tensions are rising between Christians and Muslims in Nazareth. It seems that this is the scenario Arafat is preparing for Israel.

After all, it is Arafat's Tanzim and Al Aqsa leaders who are barricaded in the Church of the Nativity, as well as Hamas commanders who have been harbored by Arafat's Palestinian Authority. Christian leaders and Western diplomats from all over the world, begged him to facilitate the resolution of the hostage crisis. When he finally obliged to mediate, he suggested the safe passage of the terrorists â€” to Gaza.

This is hardly surprising. As anyone who has read The Godfather knows, the mafia boss will always do his best to protect his capos. And Arafat was reportedly called by a senior U.S. official in the region a "capo di tutti cappi" â€” the boss of bosses. Earlier this week, he watched approvingly as Palestinians convulsed in blood, as street executions of alleged collaborators with Israel â€” or just moderate Palestinians â€” were spreading from Ramallah to Hebron.

The Bethlehem standoff teaches one other lesson. The international community, the United Nations, and its "peacekeepers" on the ground, don't have the guts to stand up to Arafat's goons â€” as they did not stand up to terrorists on the Israeli-Lebanese border when Hezbollah kidnapped three Israeli soldiers in the fall of 2001. Deployment of foreign peacekeepers will achieve only one goal â€” protecting Arafat and harboring his terrorists, including those who are holding monks hostage in Christianity's most sacred church.

â€” Ariel Cohen is a research fellow at the Heritage Foundation and an NRO contributing editor.

***

Backstop · September 22nd, 2006, 10:43

Good reading here, folks.

Link: http://intelligence.house.gov/Media/...mistThreat.pdf

Title: al-Qaeda: The Many Faces of an Islamist Extremist Threat

REPORT OF THE U.S. HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE

APPROVED: JUNE 2006

TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL AND MINORITY VIEWS

SUBMITTED: SEPTEMBER 2006

MTStringer · September 23rd, 2006, 15:33

FWIW,http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes
World
Is Bin Laden Dead?

Saudi sources tell TIME that credible reports suggest the fugitive Qaeda leader has contracted a serious 'water-borne illness,' and may have already died
By SCOTT MACLEOD/CAIRO AND TALA SKARI/PARIS

Posted Saturday, Sep. 23, 2006
Fugitive Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, believed to be on the run in rugged terrain in the Afghan-Pakistani border region since the September 11 attacks five years ago, has become seriously ill and may have already died, a Saudi source tells TIME, echoing earlier reports in the French media.
The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, says that Saudi officials have received multiple credible reports over the last several weeks that Bin Laden has been suffering from a water-borne illness. The source believes that there is a "high probability" that Bin Laden has already died from the disease, but stressed that Saudi officials have thus far received no concrete evidence of Bin Laden's death.
"This is not a rumor," says the source. "He is very ill. He got a water-related sickness and it could be terminal. There are a lot of serious facts about things that have actually happened. There is a lot to it. But we don't have any concrete information to say that he is dead."
On Saturday, the French newspaper L'Est Republicain cited a report by the French intelligence service, Direction Generale des Services Exteriors (DGSE), saying that Saudi intelligence officials "seem to have become convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead." The report quoted by the newspaper said the Saudis believe bin Laden "might have succumbed to a very serious case of typhoid fever resulting in partial paralysis of his lower limbs while in Pakistan on August 23, 2006."
The DGSE report quoted by L'Est Republicain said that its information on the Saudi findings came from a "usually reliable source," indicating that it did not necessarily come directly from Saudi intelligence officials. The DGSE report cited by the newspaper said that Bin Laden's geographic isolation made it difficult for him to receive proper medical assistance for his ailment. The report said that Saudi intelligence picked up the first news of bin Laden's alleged demise on September 4. The DGSE says that Saudi authorities are waiting to get more details, "notably the exact place of his burial, before officially announcing the news," the newspaper said, citing what it called verbatim text from the report. L'est Republicain, based in Metz in eastern France covering the Lorraine region, says the French secret services considered the DGSE report reliable enough to transmit it last Thursday to the highest levels of the French government, specifically to French President Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie. Alliot-Marie has reportedly demanded an investigation into the leak of the DGSE report to L'Est Republicain.

Sean Osborne · September 23rd, 2006, 20:37

I have heard there is a rumor circulating which is said to have been leaked from a classified French government document belonging to the Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE - French Secret Service). The GDSE document reportedly states that a Saudi Arabian source claimed that Usama Ibn Ladin contracted typhoid fever a month ago and succumbed to the disease shorlty thereafter. US Governement sources who perforrm similar functions as the French GDSE said they had seen no evidence suggesting anything about Usama Ibn Ladin's whereabouts or current condition. In fact, Ayman al-Zawahiri referred to UBL in the present tense just recently.

Since I accept the assessment that UBL has long been in Iran the rumor that he contracted the Typhoid bacillus (Samonella Typhi) would appear to be remote at best. I think this report is intentional disinformation.

Sean Osborne · September 23rd, 2006, 20:46

NEIN has this report on its mainpage. I accept Mir's report on UBL's current condition but not his locational data. i also have a significant difference of opinon as to the message UBL relayed to the US in his pre-election October 2004 address to the American people.

UBL did not appear before camera in that video in support of President George W. Bush re-election campaign. His message as i heard it was the exact opposite. I wrote about this recently.

From: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/si...hp?storyid=591

Quote:

Finally, I wish to make note that there was a messaging shift by al Qaeda in Oct. 2004. That messaging shift was a video of Osama bin-Laden, the first in more than three years, appearing with all the pretense of a head-of-state, the leader of some non-existent Islamic Khalifa or as imitative of the al-Mahdi himself, directly addressing the people of the United States of America immediately prior to a major presidential election. Bin Laden's call was for the American people to choose wisely, about the "best way to avoid another Manhattan", and that "the motives exist for repeating what happened" along with a reference that this war had its genesis with US/Israel aggression in Lebanon in 1982.

The above IS NOT and endorsement of the policies of the Bush Administration. Since 9/11 the Bush Administration has gone to war, invading Iraq and Afghanist in major military operations intent on killing as many Al Qaeda and Taliban as possible - including Usama Ibn Ladin and his senior leadership.

Top Stories: US : BIN LADEN ALIVE AND WELL IN PAKISTAN, BUSY PREPARING THE NEXT ATTACK ON THE U.S.

*The French Got It All Wrong

by Paul L. Williams and David Dastych

EXCLUSIVE to the Northeast Intelligence Network & Canada Free Press

23 September 2006: You canâ€™t believe all the news thatâ€™s originated from Saudi sources, printed in French newspapers, and broadcast on major news outlets throughout the U. S., Canada, and Europe.

Thatâ€™s the word from Hamid Mir, Osama bin Ladenâ€™s official biographer and the only journalist to interview the elusive al Qaeda emir in the wake of 9/11.

On Saturday, September 23, the French newspaper Lâ€™Est Republicain reported that Osama bin Laden had died in Pakistan. The cause of his death, according to the report, was a â€œvery serious case of typhoidâ€ which led to â€œparalysis of his internal organs.â€ The newspaper, which claimed to have obtained the news from a credible Saudi source, said that the al Qaeda chieftain, who remains the most wanted man in the world, died on August 23.

In an exclusive release to the Northeast Intelligence Network and Canada Free Press, Mr. Mir called the report â€œrubbishâ€ and said that it represented â€œold wine in an new bottle,â€ an apparent allusion to Congressman Curt Weldonâ€™s statement last March to The Philadelphia Inquirer that bin Laden had died in Iran.

Mir maintains that bin Laden is alive, well, and living the lawless frontier of Pakistan. He says that the al Qaeda leader completed his plans for an â€œAmerican Hiroshimaâ€ - - a nuclear attack on major metropolitan areas throughout the U. S. and has gained the approval of some Muslim scholars to kill millions of American civilians.

The delay of the attack, Mir says, may have been caused by bin Ladenâ€™s desire to aid President George W. Bush in his 2004 bid for re-election. The emir, according to the Pakistani reporter, believes that the policies of the current administration serve to increase the political strength of his terrorist organization. Mir maintains that bin Ladenâ€™s willingness to bolster the Bush campaign came with his release of a video statement shortly before American voters went to the polls.

Mir says that Adnan el Shukrijumah, the al Qaeda agent who has been singled out by bin Laden to commandeer the American Hiroshima, has been given orders â€œto increase the level and the scopeâ€ of the attack.

Last week, Abu Dawood, the leader of al Qaeda in Afghanistan, warned U. S. Muslims that they must leave the U. S. without further warning.

Sean Osborne · September 26th, 2006, 15:17

ALERT: McMaster University (Hamilton, Ontario, Canada) Chemical Attack

I hope some of you are aware of this event. If not, this is a timely FYI...

This report might be viewed as a possible Dry Run/Test of ChemWar methodology.

I recall a former-NSA instructor describing a the potential for bicycle-borne terrorist equipped wuth Bio-Chem backpack with a protuding dispersal tube to cruise city streeets, malls, places of mass public gatherings.

This appears to me to be a test run of a

Vehicle Borne Improvised Bio-Chem Dispersal Device (VBIBCD2)

( yes, I am attempting to coin a new phrase above)

Quote:

Downtown crowd spraying scare

Two incidents, pair hospitalized

(Sep 25, 2006) Two people were taken to hospital after a bizarre incident in downtown Hamilton Friday night that saw more than a dozen McMaster University students pepper sprayed by the occupants in a passing vehicle.
The pair was taken to hospital as a precautionary measure because they suffer from asthma, said Sergeant George Narozniak of Hamilton Police Service. They were treated and released.

Fourteen Mac students, aged 18 to 24, were waiting for a bus on King Street East at James about 11 p.m. Friday when an irritant similar to pepper spray was sprayed at them from a passing vehicle.
No one got a description of the vehicle and no arrests have been made, Narozniak said.

About an hour later, a 42-year-old man on Main Street West near Hess Street South was also sprayed with a substance resembling pepper spray.
In that incident, a witness described the vehicle as a four-door silver Honda.

Narozniak said it's not clear yet whether the two incidents are related.

The Hamilton Spectator

Rick Donaldson · September 26th, 2006, 17:19

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Grab the spetsnaz that control ramon raul or abdul. Hold them at Bolling AFB. No nukes. Guts spilled.

Bolling? WTF you talking about? Bolling doesn't have a prison. Bolling is housing installation, and has a few administrative buildings. I lived there for 8 years.

The DIA building is there, but that's an ADMINISTRATIVE building, not a prison.

Sean Osborne · September 27th, 2006, 02:04

Former FBI agent: Clinton never approved a plan to kill bin Laden

(CNN) -- Amid rumors of Osama bin Laden's death from illness, former President Bill Clinton and the Bush administration argued this week over who did more to kill the al Qaeda leader before the September 11 attacks.

CNN's Tony Harris spoke with former FBI agent Dan Coleman about the finger-pointing between the two administrations. Coleman also weighed in on where he believes bin Laden is hiding and on the status of bin Laden's health.

HARRIS: [Pakistani] President Musharraf in his book says he thinks bin Laden is in east Afghanistan. [Afghan President] Karzai says he's probably in Pakistan. What do you make of the back and forth here?

COLEMAN: That's a bit of cross-blaming. The borders in that region are rather undefined, and I defy either one of them to say exactly where he is at any one point in time.

HARRIS: So, undefined because neither leader has control of those border areas at all?

COLEMAN: Afghanistan is basically still in anarchy. And Pakistan, the part of Pakistan in which bin Laden may or may not be located, is northwest frontier provinces which are basically reservations, tribal reservations. And the central government does not have a lot of control there.

HARRIS: What do you make of the deal between Pakistan and some of the tribal leaders in that sort of rugged, undefined area that you describe?

COLEMAN: Well, bin Laden has been on the loose for five years now. If they wanted the $25 million for him they would have turned him in already. So I suspect that's more internal politics in Pakistan.

HARRIS: So bin Laden is being sheltered?

COLEMAN: I believe so, yes.

HARRIS: Given your knowledge of how intelligence flows, what did you make of the French reporting over the weekend that bin Laden is either dead or is seriously ill?

COLEMAN: Well-off people with access with medicine and doctors don't die from typhoid. ... If you've got somebody there that can put an IV in your arm and get you the proper medicine, you'll survive. American soldiers in the field can catch typhoid just as easily as he can, but they don't die from it. If they're treated, they survive.

HARRIS: What do you give Clinton credit for in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and his attempts to disrupt al Qaeda?

COLEMAN: President Clinton is very careful in his comments. I was at least happy to see him get angry about something and at least try to fight back. I doubt that anything he said was incorrect because he's too careful a man. But as far as I know, he may -- he approved the assassination of bin Laden, but he never approved a particular plan.

HARRIS: His claim is that he couldn't get the CIA and the FBI to agree on responsibility, for example, for the Cole attack and to launch countermeasures.

COLEMAN: I disagree with that.

HARRIS: He said he had a battle plan drawn up to go into Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and launch a full-scale search for bin Laden.

COLEMAN: Well, he didn't do it.

HARRIS: Did you see evidence of a plan?

COLEMAN: Not at my level. No, sir.

HARRIS: So what do you make of his claim?

COLEMAN: He was saying that he made a very specific statement about getting a forward operating base in one of the former Soviet republics which he was not able to get. ... You don't need a forward base in one of the former Soviet republics to go in and do a quick operation.

Sean Osborne · September 27th, 2006, 16:48

Who here is good at connecting dots? Have a blast (pun intended) with these connectables.

DEBKAfile Exclusive: Al Qaedaâ€™s novel death technique: Detonating hundreds of simultaneous explosions through cell phone and Internet

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3321

September 27, 2006, 1:46 PM (GMT+02:00)

DEBKAfileâ€™s counter-terror sources report extreme concern among security services in the United States, Europe, the Far East and Israel, after the source of 350 multiple attacks in Bangladesh on Aug. 17, 2005, was traced to Tripoli, Lebanon

French counter-terror experts leading an international inquiry into the attacks discovered that a facility, set up there by Abu Musab al Zarqawi, al Qaedaâ€™s late Iraq commander, had developed the new design which works through Internet messengers like Skype or MSN.

Network-connected mobile phones can remotely detonate over the Internet simultaneous explosions hundreds of miles apart, anywhere on the world. US forces located and killed Zarqawi on June 7, 2006.

This system, seen only in Bangladesh so far, is more complex than any used by al Qaeda before. A year ago, some 350 explosions in quick succession in 36 districts hit government facilities and hotels in Dhaka and 16 other Bangladeshi towns. One person was killed and 115 people injured.

The French team was led to Tripoli by a tip-off that al Qaeda operative Kaci Warab, seen at Bangladeshâ€™s international Zia airport shortly after the multiple blasts and followed since, had turned up in the north Lebanese city. The materials found at the al Qaeda lab there were removed to forensic facilities in Paris and produced the following picture:

For its Bangladesh operation, al Qaeda had prepared 350 cell phones. Communications software was installed in each, together with a simple interface program designed in the Tripoli lab. Loaded onto the master computer in Tripoli linked to global Internet was the readily available Skype or MSN software. The cell phones were given 350 different usernames â€“ or rather the same one with a different numeral, e.g. Tom1, Tom2, and so forth up to Tom350. The program was relayed to the mobile phones which then transmitted the operational signal to detonate the explosives.

The Bangladesh method would be hard to apply in the United States, Europe or Israel. Anti-terror security measures are more stringent there and would make it difficult to plant 350 hidden bombs without some being detected. On the other hand, DEBKAfileâ€™s counter-terror sources point out that setting off 20 or even 10 simultaneous explosions would have a disastrous effect if the bombs were planted, say, on express trains in different countries. So far, this has not happened, but it is possible that Al Qaedaâ€™s hi-tech experts are working on improvements to the system, such as adapting it to satellite phones.

Sean Osborne · September 27th, 2006, 16:56

This just in...

According to information from retired AFOSI agent Dave Gaubatz :

"Iraqi citizens have reported our U.S. Troops & Coalition Forces will suffer a major chemical/biological attack in the "Green Zone" 10 - 14 days from the Nov 2006 U.S. Elections."

The timing indicated above places such an attack immediately after the conclusion of Ramadan 2006.

Dave has emailed me to confirm that his sources providing this information are known to him personally and are ordinary Iraqi citizens as well as members of the Iraqi government, in addition to US businessmen with Iraqi contacts or who live in Iraq.

samizdat · September 28th, 2006, 03:40

Quote:

Bolling? WTF you talking about?

Good grub at Bolling. The Muslims won't talk, since they desire martyrdom, but the russkies will. Feed them caviar. They do have an MP cell, no? No room? Send em to the 7d Sherif's office. 714 Mississipi Ave. , SE. They'll talk. 3400 Alabama Ave., DC jail. Bench warrants. There is a judicial manner to execute this via FRCP. One only needs evidence of the bombs- Tenet, and suspects. John Doe v. Spetsnaz USC 2006: 9 and counting.

Sean Osborne · September 28th, 2006, 19:26

Well, seeing we have all been tasked by Federal Government and Law Enforcement leadership to be extremely vigilant, I going to give you explicit instructions on exactly what you need to be on the lookout for - terrorist suicide bomber planning and point-of-attack behaviors. Consider this a public service announcement and actionable intelligence news you can use.

Terrorists view detailed surveillance of the target as essential for carrying out a successful suicide bombing, thereby exposing the bomber or his or her associates to observation.

As in past operations, the suicide bomber may personally conduct the surveillance or, alternatively, he or she may rely on others in the terrorist organization.

Operatives may be seen drawing, taking notes, or using cameras or video recording devices.

These operatives may engage in routine activities at the surveillance location to avoid detection, such as purchasing a ticket, taking a tour, or mailing an item.

The following is a list of behaviors that might indicate a terroristâ€™s intent to commit a suicide attack. Whether observed alone or in combination, the following indicators should arouse suspicion and immediately precipitate your call to the nearest local law enforcement officer (LEO).

Wearing loose-fitting or bulky clothing inconsistent with weather conditions.
Exhibiting protruding bulges or exposed wires under clothing, possibly through a sleeve.
Emitting strange chemical odors.
Displaying excessive sweating, mumbling, fidgeting, or conversely,being unusually calm and detached.
Attempting to gain a position near crowds or VIPs.
Tightening hands, a possible sign of holding a detonation device.
Wearing a disguise appropriate to target areas to elude detection or gain entry to restricted areas. Disguises may include military, medic, firefighter, or police uniforms. Women may pose as pregnant. Men may pose as women.
Carrying heavy luggage or wearing a backpack.
Having a pale face and arms suggestive of recent shaving, or having closely cropped hair.
Unable to focus eyesâ€”paying little attention to surrounding activities or persons.
Unresponsive to authoritative voice commands, salutations, or other routine distractions.
Exhibiting an unnatural gait and posture.
Displaying ambivalent or anxious behavior such as retracing steps or movements, or engaging in seemingly purposeless actions.

Sean Osborne · September 29th, 2006, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Osborne

This just in...

According to information from retired AFOSI agent Dave Gaubatz :

"Iraqi citizens have reported our U.S. Troops & Coalition Forces will suffer a major chemical/biological attack in the "Green Zone" 10 - 14 days from the Nov 2006 U.S. Elections."

The timing indicated above places such an attack immediately after the conclusion of Ramadan 2006.

Dave has emailed me to confirm that his sources providing this information are known to him personally and are ordinary Iraqi citizens as well as members of the Iraqi government, in addition to US businessmen with Iraqi contacts or who live in Iraq.

The above threat has been corroborated and verified by Abu Ayyoub al-Masri (a/k/a Abu Hamza al-Mujaher) the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq as well as other Al Qaeda mouthpieces in various internet communications in the past 24 hours.

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/si...hp?storyid=618

* 29 September 2006: A new and disturbing audio message from al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq, Abu Ayyoub al-Masri, (a/k/a Abu Hamza al-Muhajer ) was secured from a web site commonly used to disseminate such messages early yesterday by independent analyst Randy Taylor. The audio message, just over 20 minutes in length, features al-Masri asking any scientists, or anyone having specialized knowledge in the areas of nuclear physics and the handling of biological and chemical materials to â€œjoin the jihad in Iraq.â€ al Masri also directed his followers to step up attacks against US troops during the â€œholy month of Ramadan.â€

This request from the top al Qaeda leader further verifies the information provided to the Northeast Intelligence Network by retired AFOSI agent Paul 'Dave' Gaubatz of a possible imminent attack against troops in the â€œGreen Zoneâ€ in Iraq near the time of the US elections. It also strongly suggests that al Qaeda in Iraq could be in possession of radiological, chemical or biological materials, and underscores their intent to drive US forces out of Iraq.

Abu Ayyoub al-Masri assumed leadership of al Qaeda in Iraq following the July 7, 2006 U.S. air strike that killed terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

RELATED ANALYSIS: Ramadan 2006

September 18th, 2006, 18:57	#462
Sean Osborne Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Nope, no problem at all. But they won't be leaving our soil, just getting out of NYC and DC for starters.

September 18th, 2006, 21:00	#463
Joey Bagadonuts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Venice, Florida Posts: 229	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Hiya Birthday Boy, Ya know, I remember talking about this subject with you and Backstop almost 4 years ago at Anomalies...and it was an aggravating subject even back then. 4 years later our borders have literally become a life or death issue....and still nothing has been done. What good will a North American Union and a NASCO Corridor superhighway be if the land is inhabitable and millions are dead? I just don't get it. Ya know, if I was a conspiracy nut...I'd have a lot to work with here. *** __________________ ...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

September 19th, 2006, 02:42	#465
Joey Bagadonuts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Venice, Florida Posts: 229	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates (Just a brief momentary diversion from the topic...as this has to do with border security and terrorism.) Apparently Pat Buchanan isn't as patient on the border security issue as I am. yellow font is my emphasis ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52019 INVASION USA Pat Buchanan: Impeach Bush over illegal aliens Republican calls president 'derelict' in duty: 'This is not Ellis Island, this is an invasion' Posted: September 17, 2006 4:26 p.m. Eastern Â© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Pat Buchanan Author Pat Buchanan says President Bush should be impeached for failing to stop the invasion of illegal aliens across the U.S. border with Mexico. "I think he's committed an impeachable offense in refusing to enforce the immigration laws and in failing to uphold the Constitution by defending the states against this invasion," Buchanan told radio talk-show host Curt Smith this weekend on National Public Radio stations in upstate New York. "When you have 6 million people apprehended on the border and several million got in on your watch â€“ and you have the ability to stop it â€“ I think you're derelict in your duty," he said. "And if the president says 'I can't do it,' you need a new president who will do it." "This is not Ellis Island," said Buchanan. "This is an invasion." Buchanan, who is a WND columnist, is the author of the best-selling book, "State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America." The book paints a dim portrait of America's future: "The children born in 2006 will witness in their lifetimes the death of the West." "As Rome passed away, so, the West is passing away, from the same causes and in much the same way. What the Danube and Rhine were to Rome, the Rio Grande and Mediterranean are to America and Europe, the frontiers of a civilization no longer defended." Buchanan follows Rep. Tom Tancredo's warning shot, "In Mortal Danger," with some sobering statistics and new ways to consider the crisis. He states: * One in every twelve people breaking into America has a criminal record. * By 2050, there will be 100 million Hispanics concentrated in the U.S. Southwest. * Between 10 and 20 percent of all Mexicans, Central Americans and people of the Caribbean have already moved to the United States. * Every month, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehends more illegal aliens breaking into our country, 150,000, than the number of troops we have in Iraq. "Concerned about his legacy, George W. Bush may yet live to see his name entered into the history of his country as the president who lost the American Southwest that James K. Polk won for the United States," Buchanan writes. In addition to charging the Mexican government with plotting territorial reconquest, the former presidential candidate also says elites in Mexico and the U.S. are conspiring to erase America's borders and merge the United States and Mexico into a "North American Union." To avert disaster, Buchanan's recipe includes: * A deportation program, beginning with all illegal aliens convicted of felonies and every gang member not a U.S. citizen. * A 10-year limit on legal immigration to between 150,000 and 250,000. * Building a security fence along the 2,000-mile border. Buchanan points out that the illegal alien population of the U.S. today exceeds the total number of Irish, Jewish and British immigrants who ever came to the U.S. He disputes those who contend illegal immigration has economic benefits for the U.S., saying instead the trend represents a massive drain on the economy. *** __________________ ...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

September 19th, 2006, 02:52	#466
Joey Bagadonuts Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Venice, Florida Posts: 229	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Hiya Sean, I agree with el Rushbo, and if I could stop a nuke from detonating in the USA by torturing the truth out of some militant? I'd do it in a heartbeat and with a clear conscience. (okok.....maybe I'd go to Confession afterwards). I have a lot of respect for McCain but it's about time we took the gloves off. Our enemies aren't honoring any Geneva convention. I wonder if the radical muslims pondered about peoples rights yesterday before murdering the nun or burning those Catholic churches? SApeaking of nuns and churches.....(rhetorical question) Where is the outcry from the rest of the world at these actions? Ahhh......I'll save my breath. *** __________________ ...that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

September 22nd, 2006, 10:43	#469
Backstop Repeatedly redundant. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 2,163	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Good reading here, folks. Link: http://intelligence.house.gov/Media/...mistThreat.pdf Title: al-Qaeda: The Many Faces of an Islamist Extremist Threat REPORT OF THE U.S. HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE APPROVED: JUNE 2006 TOGETHER WITH ADDITIONAL AND MINORITY VIEWS SUBMITTED: SEPTEMBER 2006 __________________ I'm fixing to do something dumber than hell, but I'm going anyways. Last edited by Backstop; September 22nd, 2006 at 10:44. Reason: Format

September 23rd, 2006, 15:33	#470
MTStringer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 154	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates FWIW,http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...0.html?cnn=yes World Is Bin Laden Dead? Saudi sources tell TIME that credible reports suggest the fugitive Qaeda leader has contracted a serious 'water-borne illness,' and may have already died By SCOTT MACLEOD/CAIRO AND TALA SKARI/PARIS Posted Saturday, Sep. 23, 2006 Fugitive Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, believed to be on the run in rugged terrain in the Afghan-Pakistani border region since the September 11 attacks five years ago, has become seriously ill and may have already died, a Saudi source tells TIME, echoing earlier reports in the French media. The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, says that Saudi officials have received multiple credible reports over the last several weeks that Bin Laden has been suffering from a water-borne illness. The source believes that there is a "high probability" that Bin Laden has already died from the disease, but stressed that Saudi officials have thus far received no concrete evidence of Bin Laden's death. "This is not a rumor," says the source. "He is very ill. He got a water-related sickness and it could be terminal. There are a lot of serious facts about things that have actually happened. There is a lot to it. But we don't have any concrete information to say that he is dead." On Saturday, the French newspaper L'Est Republicain cited a report by the French intelligence service, Direction Generale des Services Exteriors (DGSE), saying that Saudi intelligence officials "seem to have become convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead." The report quoted by the newspaper said the Saudis believe bin Laden "might have succumbed to a very serious case of typhoid fever resulting in partial paralysis of his lower limbs while in Pakistan on August 23, 2006." The DGSE report quoted by L'Est Republicain said that its information on the Saudi findings came from a "usually reliable source," indicating that it did not necessarily come directly from Saudi intelligence officials. The DGSE report cited by the newspaper said that Bin Laden's geographic isolation made it difficult for him to receive proper medical assistance for his ailment. The report said that Saudi intelligence picked up the first news of bin Laden's alleged demise on September 4. The DGSE says that Saudi authorities are waiting to get more details, "notably the exact place of his burial, before officially announcing the news," the newspaper said, citing what it called verbatim text from the report. L'est Republicain, based in Metz in eastern France covering the Lorraine region, says the French secret services considered the DGSE report reliable enough to transmit it last Thursday to the highest levels of the French government, specifically to French President Jacques Chirac, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie. Alliot-Marie has reportedly demanded an investigation into the leak of the DGSE report to L'Est Republicain.

September 23rd, 2006, 20:37	#471
Sean Osborne Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates I have heard there is a rumor circulating which is said to have been leaked from a classified French government document belonging to the Direction Generale de la Securite Exterieure (DGSE - French Secret Service). The GDSE document reportedly states that a Saudi Arabian source claimed that Usama Ibn Ladin contracted typhoid fever a month ago and succumbed to the disease shorlty thereafter. US Governement sources who perforrm similar functions as the French GDSE said they had seen no evidence suggesting anything about Usama Ibn Ladin's whereabouts or current condition. In fact, Ayman al-Zawahiri referred to UBL in the present tense just recently. Since I accept the assessment that UBL has long been in Iran the rumor that he contracted the Typhoid bacillus (Samonella Typhi) would appear to be remote at best. I think this report is intentional disinformation.

September 27th, 2006, 16:48	#476
Sean Osborne Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Who here is good at connecting dots? Have a blast (pun intended) with these connectables. DEBKAfile Exclusive: Al Qaedaâ€™s novel death technique: Detonating hundreds of simultaneous explosions through cell phone and Internet http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=3321 September 27, 2006, 1:46 PM (GMT+02:00) DEBKAfileâ€™s counter-terror sources report extreme concern among security services in the United States, Europe, the Far East and Israel, after the source of 350 multiple attacks in Bangladesh on Aug. 17, 2005, was traced to Tripoli, Lebanon French counter-terror experts leading an international inquiry into the attacks discovered that a facility, set up there by Abu Musab al Zarqawi, al Qaedaâ€™s late Iraq commander, had developed the new design which works through Internet messengers like Skype or MSN. Network-connected mobile phones can remotely detonate over the Internet simultaneous explosions hundreds of miles apart, anywhere on the world. US forces located and killed Zarqawi on June 7, 2006. This system, seen only in Bangladesh so far, is more complex than any used by al Qaeda before. A year ago, some 350 explosions in quick succession in 36 districts hit government facilities and hotels in Dhaka and 16 other Bangladeshi towns. One person was killed and 115 people injured. The French team was led to Tripoli by a tip-off that al Qaeda operative Kaci Warab, seen at Bangladeshâ€™s international Zia airport shortly after the multiple blasts and followed since, had turned up in the north Lebanese city. The materials found at the al Qaeda lab there were removed to forensic facilities in Paris and produced the following picture: For its Bangladesh operation, al Qaeda had prepared 350 cell phones. Communications software was installed in each, together with a simple interface program designed in the Tripoli lab. Loaded onto the master computer in Tripoli linked to global Internet was the readily available Skype or MSN software. The cell phones were given 350 different usernames â€“ or rather the same one with a different numeral, e.g. Tom1, Tom2, and so forth up to Tom350. The program was relayed to the mobile phones which then transmitted the operational signal to detonate the explosives. The Bangladesh method would be hard to apply in the United States, Europe or Israel. Anti-terror security measures are more stringent there and would make it difficult to plant 350 hidden bombs without some being detected. On the other hand, DEBKAfileâ€™s counter-terror sources point out that setting off 20 or even 10 simultaneous explosions would have a disastrous effect if the bombs were planted, say, on express trains in different countries. So far, this has not happened, but it is possible that Al Qaedaâ€™s hi-tech experts are working on improvements to the system, such as adapting it to satellite phones.

September 27th, 2006, 16:56	#477
Sean Osborne Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates This just in... According to information from retired AFOSI agent Dave Gaubatz : "Iraqi citizens have reported our U.S. Troops & Coalition Forces will suffer a major chemical/biological attack in the "Green Zone" 10 - 14 days from the Nov 2006 U.S. Elections." The timing indicated above places such an attack immediately after the conclusion of Ramadan 2006. Dave has emailed me to confirm that his sources providing this information are known to him personally and are ordinary Iraqi citizens as well as members of the Iraqi government, in addition to US businessmen with Iraqi contacts or who live in Iraq.

September 28th, 2006, 19:26	#479
Sean Osborne Banned Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,966	Re: Terrorism: News & Updates Well, seeing we have all been tasked by Federal Government and Law Enforcement leadership to be extremely vigilant, I going to give you explicit instructions on exactly what you need to be on the lookout for - terrorist suicide bomber planning and point-of-attack behaviors. Consider this a public service announcement and actionable intelligence news you can use. Terrorists view detailed surveillance of the target as essential for carrying out a successful suicide bombing, thereby exposing the bomber or his or her associates to observation. As in past operations, the suicide bomber may personally conduct the surveillance or, alternatively, he or she may rely on others in the terrorist organization. Operatives may be seen drawing, taking notes, or using cameras or video recording devices. These operatives may engage in routine activities at the surveillance location to avoid detection, such as purchasing a ticket, taking a tour, or mailing an item. The following is a list of behaviors that might indicate a terroristâ€™s intent to commit a suicide attack. Whether observed alone or in combination, the following indicators should arouse suspicion and immediately precipitate your call to the nearest local law enforcement officer (LEO). Wearing loose-fitting or bulky clothing inconsistent with weather conditions. Exhibiting protruding bulges or exposed wires under clothing, possibly through a sleeve. Emitting strange chemical odors. Displaying excessive sweating, mumbling, fidgeting, or conversely,being unusually calm and detached. Attempting to gain a position near crowds or VIPs. Tightening hands, a possible sign of holding a detonation device. Wearing a disguise appropriate to target areas to elude detection or gain entry to restricted areas. Disguises may include military, medic, firefighter, or police uniforms. Women may pose as pregnant. Men may pose as women. Carrying heavy luggage or wearing a backpack. Having a pale face and arms suggestive of recent shaving, or having closely cropped hair. Unable to focus eyesâ€”paying little attention to surrounding activities or persons. Unresponsive to authoritative voice commands, salutations, or other routine distractions. Exhibiting an unnatural gait and posture. Displaying ambivalent or anxious behavior such as retracing steps or movements, or engaging in seemingly purposeless actions.

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