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    US holds talks on arms handover to Central Asia: report

    AFP | 1 day ago

    File photo from December 20, 2011 shows Russian President Dmitry Medvedev (R) speaking with Kyrgyz President Almazbek Atambayev during a meeting of leaders from the Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) in Moscow.—Reuters Photo

    MOSCOW: The US military is in talks with several Central Asian countries to transfer some of their military hardware to them after they pull out of Afghanistan, a Russian newspaper reported Friday.

    The report, in Kommersant newspaper, provoked an angry response from one Russian official.

    The military of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan were in “closed talks” with the Pentagon about receiving armoured vehicles, tank trailers, and other specialized equipment, Kommersant reported.

    Some of it would be handed over for free while other items would be for safe storage, the report said, citing sources close to, or inside the various respective armies.

    A source in Kyrgyzstan’s military confirmed that the issue had first been raised in March when the US and Kyrgyz defence ministers met.

    But a Russian diplomatic source told the paper that holding such talks behind Moscow’s back was “absolutely unacceptable”.

    The source cited the countries’ commitments to the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, which stipulates a security alliance with Russia.

    Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are former Soviet states and Russia’s allies in Central Asia.

    Tajikistan and Uzbekistan share a border with Afghanistan, and Kyrgyzstan is home to a US military facility that has been a contentious issue for Russia’s conservatives.

    The US and Nato have agreed to pull military forces out of Afghanistan in 2014.

    Russia’s Central Asian partners have played an increasing role in their efforts to get equipment into Afghanistan after Pakistan closed supply routes from the south.

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    Pentagon Plans to Hand Over Military Equipment From Afghanistan to CSTO/SCO Countries

    Submitted by Aurangzeb on June 17, 2012 – 12:42 amOne Comment




    After the withdrawal of the U.S. and NATO troops from Afghanistan in 2014, the military equipment used by International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) may be transferred to Central Asian countries, Asia-Plus reported referring to Kommersant newspaper.

    The Pentagon is negotiating on this issue with the authorities of Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

    Some weapons will be transferred to these countries free of charge and some – for safekeeping. Moreover, the U.S. is negotiating on a possibility of transferring medical equipment, communications and fire fighting equipment, as well as devices for the military personal (including mobile gyms) to these countries.

    A source in the Kyrgyz Defense Ministry confirmed the information about ongoing negotiations with Pentagon. According to the source, for the first time this issue was raised within the meeting of U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta with his Kyrgyz counterpart Talaibek Omuraliev in March.

    Meanwhile, Afghanistan is trying to persuade the U.S. commanders to leave the maximum amount of equipment for their national army and police, Afghan President’s administration told the newspaper.

    According to Russian diplomats, transfer of NATO troops to Central Asian countries contradicts the agreements within the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO).

    In December the leaders of the CSTO which include Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan agreed that the military bases of third countries can be placed on the territory of the organization’s participants only following consent of all participants.

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    As the Obama Administration retreats from Afghanistan they empower the CSTO/SCO by transferring the remaining NATO military hardware worth...

    $36 Billion of Military Hardware Could Be left in Afghan Pullout


    Tuesday, 05 Mar 2013 11:21 AM
    By Todd Beamon






    The Obama White House is cutting $65 billion in the sequester, but it could easily leave or torch 750,000 pieces of major military hardware — worth $36 billion — in Afghanistan after U.S. troops pull out by the end of next year.

    Here are the options, according to Face the Facts USA of the George Washington University: Leave the equipment — or destroy it — in Afghanistan; move it to other U.S. military outposts; or transfer it to another U.S. agency or to another country.

    The estimated cost for the latter two options: $5.7 billion.

    The equipment includes trucks, aircraft, and armored vehicles — most of which are controlled by the Army.

    Because the Afghanistan terrain is mountainous and landlocked, transport would be difficult. But leaving it behind intact could put the equipment in the wrong hands.

    So, is it best to torch $36 billion in U.S. military assets?

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    $36 Billion of Military Hardware Could Be left in Afghan Pullout
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    20,000 MRAPs Left To CSTO/SCO

    by James Dunnigan
    April 1, 2012


    In the last decade the U.S. military (mainly the army and marines) bought some 20,000 MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles.

    Once American troops were out of Iraq many of these vehicles were found unsuitable for Afghanistan, where there are fewer roads and a special new MRAP design was found more suitable. Eventually, most of these armored trucks will be out of work. Some will go into storage, but many will be put up for sale, cheap. The trouble is, there doesn't seem to be many buyers. At first it was thought peacekeeping operations might provide a market. Security is often a problem in disaster or disorderly areas and MRAPs were seen as a potential solution for the many NGOs and nations that have problems with security. In reality, peacekeepers rarely go into areas where there is a lot of combat. That is considered peacemaking and it is far less popular, and frequent, than peacekeeping. In other words, any crises zone that needs MRAPs is an area peacekeepers and aid groups will tend to stay away from.

    Another downside of MRAPs is that they are expensive (over $10,000 a year) to operate. This is another disincentive for those who participate in peacekeeping operations. While MRAPs are ideal for areas where bandits or terrorists are a threat (via mines and roadside bombs), such places are in need of combat forces, ready to fight, not peacekeepers or relief workers.

    American combat troops like MRAPs as long as they are fighting a foe that does not require U.S. combat vehicles to travel cross country a lot. MRAPs do roads but their high center of gravity makes them too unwieldy for off-road operations.

    Since the U.S. has sworn off wars like Iraq and Afghanistan for the moment, U.S. troops are now back to training for more conventional combat, meaning lots of vehicles moving off roads. That leaves most of those 20,000 MRAPs without a job and few potential buyers. Most will end up in storage, which costs a few hundred dollars a year per vehicle. But after a decade or so of that, many MRAP components deteriorate, making the cost of getting them ready for action very expensive.

    Their unique design (the V shaped underside) makes them expensive to convert to commercial use (by removing the armor and remaining military components). So it looks like MRAPs will be left to slowly rot for a while and then scrapped. Nearly a third of the million dollar value of your average MRAP consists of military equipment that can be removed and used in other vehicles. But for the most part, the MRAPs will end up being a $10 billion wartime expense that, like many wartime vehicles, could find no purpose once the fighting was over.


    China and Russia seal power pact

    by: Michael Sainsbury, China correspondent
    From: The Australian
    June 08, 2012 12:00AM


    Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao attend a concert in Beijing. Picture: AFP Source: AFP

    CHINA and Russia vowed to step up joint military exercises yesterday, raising fears of a regional arms race after Washington declared the US Navy was bolstering its presence in the Asia-Pacific.

    The deal between the nuclear powers capped summit talks in Beijing for the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation.

    The grouping of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan also weighed into the international tensions over the Syrian uprising and Iran's nuclear program.

    The group said it opposed outside military intervention in the Middle East, a day after the Syrian opposition accused forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad of massacring 100 people.

    The SCO called for a "peaceful resolution of the Syrian problem through political dialogue", and said the use of force against Iran - an ally of Beijing and Moscow - was "unacceptable".
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    Iran is an observer nation at the SCO, and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad featured prominently at the summit.

    However, the West believes Iran is trying to develop a nuclear bomb under cover of a civilian energy program.

    Chinese President Hu Jintao used the two-day summit to push for the SCO to take a bigger part in reconstructing Afghanistan. And Russian President Vladimir Putin was expected to hold talks in Shanghai overnight with Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Mr Ahmadinejad.

    "The member states are for building an independent, neutral, peaceful and flourishing state in Afghanistan, free of terrorism and drug trafficking," the SCO declaration said yesterday.

    "They believe the national peace process in Afghanistan should be directed and led by the Afghans themselves."

    But the summit may in the long run be most remembered for strengthening China-Russia ties.

    In a meeting with Chinese Vice-President Xi Jinping, who is expected to assume the leadership of the ruling Communist Party in October, Mr Putin said both sides had vowed to expand their military exchanges.

    Mr Xi then held a meeting with Australian Defence Minister Stephen Smith, who was asked by the Vice-President - as well a range of senior Chinese officials - to explain why Canberra was strengthening its military ties with the US.

    Mr Putin welcomed the co-operation between Beijing and Moscow. "Recently joint navy exercises were held in the Yellow Sea, and they were the first of such exercises," he said.

    "We have agreed with Chairman Hu that we will continue such co-operation."

    The warming of Russia-China relations comes less than a week after the US announced more details of its "pivot" to Asia, with US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta saying it would base 60 per cent of its navy in the region by 2020, up from 50 per cent today.

    China is concerned that Washington is executing a strategy of containment, an accusation the US and Australia have denied.

    "It is impossible to contain a country of 1.3 billion people," Mr Smith said.

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