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    From Rabble Such As This, Rise a People Whom Defy Kings.

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    What purpose do any of our freedoms serve if we have no means to protect them? Are we not only as strong as our own weakest link? Surely the people are strong when united, but when the fist of angered men crashes down with might and power, what is our powerless response? Thomas Jefferson was an extraordinarily insightful man as a founding father, and is attributed to the saying “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have.”


    It is important to remember the fallacy of this statement, however. The government of the United States does not grant rights, and it does not allocate freedom. Rather, the Constitution of the United States expressly states that we have these rights, and that the government is not to infringe upon them.


    We are in the midst of a time when all this is called into question. Not only is the validity of our sanctified freedoms under fire, but our resilience as a culture. Surely one can watch from afar in the land of tea and crumpets calling us ‘cowboys’ and claiming out guns will be our downfall. In truth, however, clinging to our guns is the only thing that has saved this nation from absolute dissolution. To believe that war has become less popular in the modern era because we have grown too fond of it is a statement of profound ignorance. As we sit here today, our brothers and sisters are arming themselves. Civil War exists the same as cannibalism exists. It is so far fetched that the American people could stomach a revolution again. In this same notion, however, we could never stomach slavery. Thus, it is undeniable that our nation will come to blows. To claim we would rather die than to eat fellow man as a means of survival is absurd. Our fear of leaving the happy bubble we live in is influencing our thought process, but when starvation and deprivation drag you within an inch of death itself, all of life come into question. You begin to see the flaws in every member of your party. Who is the weakest? Who could you do without? Who has angered you? Who shall be the one you choose?


    Revolution is the same way. Those who are most likely to fight for the cause are those who have the most to lose. It is the same, however, that these individuals have the most to gain.


    The Cold War has begun. Ammunition cannot be found anywhere you go. First it was the common calibers, 9mm, 45ACP, 40S&W, .223/5.56, and 7.62ラ39. Those who have already been patiently awaiting the acids and infestations of our nation to eat away at our innards see the early signs, and began rapid preparations. Then it spread like wildfire. Pistol grip rifles, gone. AR-15′s, gone. AK-47′s, gone. Magazines, equipment, parts, barrels, everything…gone.


    It used to be just another ammo and gun rush. Same as the election, same as the Aurora shooting, same as always. Now its something worse. Assault Weapons Bans are passing, Congressmen and State legislators are proposing confiscation, and weapons are being outlawed. Lines are being drawn, families are moving to states with fortitude, and homesteads are becoming the talk of the town. People are going off the grid with their firearms, ammo, and equipment. Mobilization from public water, electric, and gas systems are moving to independent, clean, alternate energies.


    This is not a society preparing for a doomsday. We are not preparing for an economic spike where we may have to defend our homes. It isn’t just a matter of getting ammunition while it is cheap, it is about getting what you can when it is available, regardless the price. Our nation is preparing for war. Like our forefathers at Lexington and Concord, stockpiles of weapons are emerging and springing up. The day the regulars march on our homes to reduce the patriots will be a day we all dread.


    The numbers are amounting, supplies are dwindling, and every party or social gathering has the wind down period where men and their sons, neighbors, fathers, friends, and co-workers gather on the dark porches of the homes, smoking their pipes and cigars, sipping their whiskey as they discuss the future of their families.


    Law Enforcement are drawing their lines in the sand, taking their stand against tyranny or rebellion. Soldiers wait for their enlistments to run out, some to renew for a bonus, others for reasons their own. Groups of men gather to practice battle drills, discuss fallout locations, procedures, rosters, and planning for the worst case scenarios, scenarios that are more and more becoming a great possibility.


    It wasn’t much different than this that our nation was born. I don’t even think it was planned, or synchronized by like minded persons or groups. Their were no crazies, and few groups that took this as an opportunity to recruit. It simply happened. We really did just wake up one day to find our freedoms under fire. And now, now we are seeing what a nation becomes when its government declares war on the freedoms of its citizenry. The bars, pubs, taverns, and back rooms are filled with soft spoken revolutionaries. The whispers of men prepared to take upon themselves their sword and shield, to mount and ride for the cause of liberty, are growing in the darkness.
    All that is required for the success of evil is for good men to do nothing. Do not be mislead. The good men are not doing nothing. The good men are biding their time, waiting for what comes next. Tyranny will not pull through, and the triumph of freedom will always be there for those who are vigilant, patient, and prepared.
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    From Rabble Such As This, Rise A People Whom Defy Kings

    Posted on January 27, 2013 | Leave a comment

    A reader sends this link to some clear thinking about current affairs.
    You ain’t voting yourself out of this mess.
    Here’s your potential solution set:
    - Submit.
    - Fight.
    Nothing else.
    And here’s the really interesting part:
    Each of us, every day, is preparing, via action or inaction, for one of those paths.
    Resist.
    No matter what.
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    CBS Runs Segment Called 'Let's Give Up On The Constitution'

    January 27, 2013



    From Georgetown law professor Louis Michael Seidman:

    I've got a simple idea: Let's give up on the Constitution. I know, it sounds radical, but it's really not. Constitutional disobedience is as American as apple pie. For example, most of our greatest Presidents -- Jefferson, Lincoln, Wilson, and both Roosevelts -- had doubts about the Constitution, and many of them disobeyed it when it got in their way.

    To be clear, I don't think we should give up on everything in the Constitution. The Constitution has many important and inspiring provisions, but we should obey these because they are important and inspiring, not because a bunch of people who are now long-dead favored them two centuries ago. Unfortunately, the Constitution also contains some provisions that are not so inspiring. For example, one allows a presidential candidate who is rejected by a majority of the American people to assume office. Suppose that Barack Obama really wasn't a natural-born citizen. So what? Constitutional obedience has a pernicious impact on our political culture. Take the recent debate about gun control. None of my friends can believe it, but I happen to be skeptical of most forms of gun control. I understand, though, that's not everyone's view, and I'm eager to talk with people who disagree.

    But what happens when the issue gets Constitutional-ized? Then we turn the question over to lawyers, and lawyers do with it what lawyers do. So instead of talking about whether gun control makes sense in our country, we talk about what people thought of it two centuries ago. Worse yet, talking about gun control in terms of constitutional obligation needlessly raises the temperature of political discussion. Instead of a question on policy, about which reasonable people can disagree, it becomes a test of one's commitment to our foundational document and, so, to America itself.

    This is our country. We live in it, and we have a right to the kind of country we want. We would not allow the French or the United Nations to rule us, and neither should we allow people who died over two centuries ago and knew nothing of our country as it exists today. If we are to take back our own country, we have to start making decisions for ourselves, and stop deferring to an ancient and outdated document.

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    I'm happy to give it up, if I am King. Or better yet if the FIRST thing we give up is that media First Amendment Right. Let's curtail that for a few months and see what they think of it.

    But just for them, no one else. I mean everyone ELSE should keep their rights. You know, the Cops and Military and Politicians....
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    I cannot believe how this is all sounding so familiar from a certain past story.

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    The full video if you want to watch it...


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    This is a real act of Tyranny if I ever saw it.
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    ANONYMOUS - PREPARE FOR AN AMERICAN CIVIL WAR

    Published on Jan 17, 2013 Recently, The hacktivist group known as anonymous and the American Resistance Movement have joined forces to fight the empire.


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    Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
    "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
    添ou Americans are so gullible.
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    Why do I see images of Princess Laya, Han Solo and Darth Vader suddenly. lol
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    What are the odds that the establishment, the men behind the curtain, are utilizing Anonymous to foment civil war on American soil? Just a question worth pondering. Maybe I just need a vacation instead.

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    That is what I was thinking too.

    CW2 may have already started, but not the shooting war against Government agencies.

    Fox, Rush, Levin, Savage, and a few others need to be squelched or reprogrammed first.

    Maybe they're culling the top of the list first before the main event.

    Then they will be justifiably free to openly go after their enemies.

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    Faces.... Watch for something to happen to someone else who's got a "face" out there, and has been vocal, perhaps loudly vocal and clear on his (or her) principles and lines in the sand. "Not one more inch" seems to be a phrase that more than one of us has taken up lately.

    I mentioned this in another thread earlier today.

    A group of operatives wouldn't "take out" Rush, Levin, Hannity, Savage, or Ted Nugent. No, that's TOO obvious. But grabbing and killing the number two guy on YouTube who's pro-secon, pro-gun? Why not? He's a "nobody". Ain't got no political clout, doesn't speak to the President or the Governor (or for them). How about a Best Selling SEAL? Why not? He's "nobody" but a "war hero" and you know, "lived by the sword" (as it was put by Ron Paul) so it's only "ironic".

    But the rest of us "get it". We know what happened or at least think we do, and it's a severe warning to the rest of us to back off. If this crap, car accident, bullet to the brain, a hanging, can happen to them it can happen to ANY of us, right?

    Any one of us with a lick of sense now will be armed where we can be, and usually will be even when we're not supposed to be.

    Don't trust people who you think have ANY connection with the Left.

    Don't BELIEVE that everyone is your friend now.

    But then, sowing the seeds of mistrust is another method of making people uneasy, scared and forces them to lose confidence in themselves and friends - thus, you have to remember who is TRULY your friend.


    I guess it comes down to the battle is engaged; but, it's not what anyone expected.
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    But then, sowing the seeds of mistrust is another method of making people uneasy, scared and forces them to lose confidence in themselves and friends - thus, you have to remember who is TRULY your friend.
    Classic divide and conquer. Trust no one. The product? No unity. No significant opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MinutemanCO View Post
    Classic divide and conquer. Trust no one. The product? No unity. No significant opposition.
    Here's the difference today though, and something we need to realize.

    We are known, we are unified, and we are Americans. We're also going to stand up to these people whether they LIKE it or NOT and we're not going away and will be replaced by our children.

    I'm not hiding from anyone, and I know they don't like that.

    None of us should hide, and none of us should be afraid.

    We are right, they are in the wrong.
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    Agreed. Not one more inch.

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    The Balkanization continues...


    High School Food Fight Turns Into Violent 'Race Riot' Leaving Three Students And A Member Of Staff Hospitalized

    February 14, 2013

    What started out as a lunchtime food fight in a Minneapolis high school ended in a massive brawl involving hundreds of students and police officers wielding canisters of Mace.

    Minneapolis South High School was placed on lockdown shortly before 1pm Thursday after violence broke out during third-period lunch inside the cafeteria between Muslim and black students.

    The fight involved 200-300 students and lasted about 15 minutes, leaving four people injured. Teaching continued as usual during the lockdown, but students had to remain in their classrooms.

    Students were let out at 3pm as usual, and parents were not asked to pick up their children. After-school activities proceeded as scheduled, CBS Minnesota reported.

    According to a message posted Thursday afternoon on the school's website, the incident began unfolding at around 12.45pm and quickly escalated into a large-scale physical confrontation.

    More than 20 staff members and two school resource officers responded immediately and attempted to break up the fight, but were unable to handle the situation and called the Minneapolis Police Department for help.

    Dozens of police officers who arrived on the scene tried to disperse the crowd of brawling teenagers, but to no avail.

    They then formed a human chain often used during crowd control situation and called on the brawlers to stand down, but when that failed, police sprayed Mace into the air above the crowd.

    Four people, including three students and one staff member who was hit in the head with a bottle, were sent to a hospital. Police said no weapons were used in the altercation, and the teens' unspecified injuries were not related to the fight.

    A dozen people also complained of suffering from side effects related to the chemical agent sprayed by police. They were treated on the scene for Mace inhalation.

    Student Abdi Sheik told CBS that the fight escalated into a 'big riot' over racial hostilities that have long been bubbling under the surface.

    According to witnesses, an initial fight happened during the first lunch period when one student threw a milk carton at another. By the time the third period came around, the situation spiraled out of control, with boys hitting girls and some students lying on the floor and covering their faces in surrender.

    Some members of the South High School community said that the violent incident was the culmination of ongoing tensions between the eight per cent of Muslim students of Somali decent and the 20 per cent who are African Americans.

    'I don't feel safe here,' senior Guled Omar told the Minneapolis Star Tribune. 'This is something that has been going on [for at least two years].'

    In a statement posted on the school's website, district spokesperson Stan Alleyne wrote: 'South is a very diverse high school.

    'It is a microcosm of the city. Students function together at a high level every day. That is the strength of this school. Our students live diversity every day.'

    So far, no charges have been filed but police said students involved in the melee could potentially face assault, riot, and other counts.



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    Suburbs Secede From Atlanta

    March 11, 2013

    As Detroit – beset by violence, debt and social woes – prepares to undergo a historic takeover by the Michigan state government, the city of Atlanta could be sliding toward a similar fate.

    Some are quietly wondering whether Atlanta is in danger of becoming “the Detroit of the South.”

    The city has experienced an ongoing succession of government scandals, ranging from a massive cheating racket to corruption, bribery, school-board incompetence and now the potential loss of accreditation for the local DeKalb County school system.

    For several years, problems of this sort have fueled political reforms, including the creation of new cities in northern Atlanta suburbs. Due to the intensification of corruption scandals in DeKalb, some state-level reform proposals could become national news very soon.

    ‘Super-white majority’ cities

    As a result of the unsavory politics in urban Atlanta, northern suburban communities acted to distance themselves. Beginning in 2005, many communities began the process of incorporating into cities.

    Thus far, Milton, Sandy Springs, Brookhaven, Dunwoody, Chattahoochee Hills and Johns Creek have done so.

    These cities, after breaking away politically from urban Atlanta, have become so successful that a libertarian think tank, the Reason Foundation, has featured Sandy Springs as a model of effective government. The Economist has also applauded the northern Atlanta cities for solving the problem of unfunded government pension liability and avoiding the bankruptcy that looms over some urban areas. The new cities may soon be able to create their own school districts, which would free them even further from the issues besetting Atlanta.

    While incorporation has been popular with residents of the new cities, not all of Atlanta is as satisfied. The Georgia Legislative Black Caucus filed a lawsuit in 2011 to dissolve the new cities, claiming they were a “super-white majority” and diluting the voting power of minorities.

    A key leader in the black community and a driving force in support of the lawsuit, who wishes to remain anonymous, bemoaned the “disturbing tendency of black electorates to not elect the smartest and brightest, or even the cleverest.”

    Nonetheless, he believes that there is a social contract between the northern and southern parts of the county.

    “So when you allow powerful groups of citizens to opt out of a social contract, and form their own, it may benefit the group opting out, but it hurts the larger collective,” he said.

    The lawsuit would have canceled incorporation and tied the cities back into the very county that they purposefully left.

    State Rep. Lynne Riley, a Republican who represents one of the new cities, called the lawsuit “frivilous” and “disrespectful to the citizens of these cities who are most satisfied with their government.”

    The federal trial court rejected the lawsuit, and the court of appeals affirmed the dismissal. However, an attorney for the Black Caucus plans to file an amended lawsuit.

    Meanwhile, the same concerns that spurred incorporation continue to mount.

    Failing schools

    DeKalb County contributed to what the New York Times called “the biggest standardized test cheating scandal in the country’s history” in 2011.

    Now, the county is faced with losing its regional accreditation. Losing regional accreditation is, by any objective measure, a devastating indictment of a school board, with severe consequences for students and families within the district.

    When nearby Clayton County, Ga., lost its regional accreditation in 2008, it was the first school system in the country to do so in 40 years.

    The result in Clayton, according to the Pew Foundation, was that thousands of students left county schools, the district lost millions of dollars and hundreds of teachers were fired.

    In response to the Clayton County crisis, after witnessing the fallout and the harm to the state’s reputation, the legislature acted to prevent a repeat. In 2011, the Georgia legislature essentially gave the governor authority to remove board of education members when a district was placed on probation by the accreditation agency.

    Last December, DeKalb was placed on probation. Then, in January, the governor of Georgia used his new authority and removed six members of the nine-member DeKalb Board of Education.

    This year, well after the accreditation issue broke open, DeKalb school board elections were held. Four of nine board members were up for reelection. Voters in one of the four districts returned their incumbent board member for another term, despite knowing that accreditation was at risk.

    This week, a federal judge sided with the governor and agreed that the six suspended board members can be replaced. The decision places the dispute into the Georgia Supreme Court’s purview.

    As the issue looms, the mere mention of losing accreditation has impacted the housing market in DeKalb, with at least one potential buyer directing his realtor not to search for homes in the county.

    School leadership

    Recently, at the helm of the DeKalb school system stood Crawford Lewis. The former superintendent has been indicted on racketeering charges.

    Along with several of his associates, Lewis is accused by the DeKalb DA of fraud, theft by a government employee, bribery and a web of racketeering. The charges arose out of Lewis’ practice of steering lucrative government contracts toward favored companies.

    According to the indictment, Lewis also used government funds to pay for a hotel room, which he used as the venue for an affair. Lewis had this affair with a person who held the position of “Executive Director of the Office of School Improvement.”

    One of the numerous complaints about the DeKalb school board was that it voted to pay for Lewis’ legal defense. There had been a $100,000 cap on the costs allowed for legal defense, but the school board waived it for Lewis’ benefit.

    The CEO in charge

    At the very top, the head of DeKalb’s government is the position of CEO. The current CEO, Burrell Ellis, is being investigated for a list of concerns, including alleged bid rigging. Police searched Ellis’s home and office recently, and local news outlets report that while no charges have been filed, search warrants are reportedly aimed toward potential extortion, bribery, theft, conspiracy, and wire fraud in connection with private vendors who contract with the county.

    Most recently, Ellis sought approval from the county ethics board to establish a legal defense fund to benefit himself. The board rebuffed the request.

    A corrupt school board becomes a civil rights issue

    Instead of being treated as a story about rampant, inexcusable corruption, the school board fiasco has morphed into a civil rights issue. Atlanta’s NBC affiliate reports that the Georgia NAACP “accused Republican Governor Nathan Deal of being part of an alleged conspiracy to get rid of black office holders and deprive black voters of their rights.”

    State Rep. Tyrone Books pointed out that criticism of the governor needed to include a word about black politicians who supported the governor’s removal authority.

    “How can we complain about him when we have black folks standing there embracing the removal of black officials?” asked Brooks, D-Atlanta.

    The state legislature is trying to prevent public funds from being used in the legal defense of the ousted board members. Because the ousted board members see their positions as a civil rights entitlement, the attorney’s fees required for their defense will quickly rise, unless legislation puts an end to the entitlement.

    One of the suspended board members, Eugene Walker, responded to the judge’s ruling with a familiar appeal: “Minorities should not feel secure if contrived allegations from anonymous sources with hidden agendas can go to private agencies and to have their civil rights stolen away.”

    DeKalb has changed from majority white to majority black over the last several decades. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution gingerly put it: “The county’s transition from majority white to majority minority was politically rocky .”




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    Texas takes step toward secession with Rick Perry’s plan to hoard gold

    March 22, 2013



    Source: RawStory

    Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) and freshman state Rep. Giovanni Capriglione have a plan to create a “Fort Knox of Texas” so that the state can start hoarding gold.

    Giovanni has filed a bill to establish a Texas Bullion Depository to store the $1 billion worth of gold bars that are owned by University of Texas Investment Management Co. (UTIMCO), which are currently being housed by the U.S. Federal Reserve.

    Speaking to conservative radio host Glenn Beck on Tuesday, Perry said that lawmakers were in the process of “bringing gold that belongs to the state of Texas back into the state.” Beck has been a longtime paid spokesperson for the precious metal seller Goldline, which agreed to refund up to $4.5 million to former customers last year after being sued for marking up gold more than 50 percent.

    “If we own it, I will suggest to you that that’s not someone else’s determination whether we can take possession of it back or not,” Perry told Beck.

    Former Rep. Ron Paul on Thursday explained to The Texas Tribune that the gold would be safer in the hands of Texans. “If you think gold is a hedge, or a protection, you always want it as close to the individual and the entity as possible,” Paul said. “Texas is better served if it knows exactly where the gold is rather than depending on the security of the Federal Reserve.”

    For his part, Capriglione said that he had gotten the idea while attending a tea party rally with Perry in Tarrant County earlier this year.

    “Something on the scorecards of a lot of these businesses in deciding whether they want to come to Texas is stability and gold as being one of those items,” Capriglione insisted. “I think it’s been in his consciousness for a while in trying to get some sort of depository in the state of Texas.”

    “We don’t want just the certificates. We want our gold. And if you’re the state of Texas, you should be able to get your gold.”

    Tangent Capital Partners senior managing director Jim Rickards speculated to Yahoo Finance on Thursday that creating a “Fort Knox of Texas” could be a step in Texas creating its own currency and eventually moving to secede.

    “This bill contains a provision that says to the federal government that you, the federal government, purport to confiscate this Texas gold, we, the state of Texas, consider that to be null and void,” Rickards pointed out. “And under the 10th Amendment of the United States Constitution, they have that power.”

    Earlier this year, more than 100,000 people signed a petition on the White House website calling on President Barack Obama’s administration to allow the state to secede.

    White House Office of Public Engagement Director Jon Carson responded by noting that the Supreme Court in 1869 that states do not have a right to secede.

    Carson noted that the Founding Fathers established a Constitution and “enshrined in that document the right to change our national government through the power of the ballot — a right that generations of Americans have fought to secure for all. But they did not provide a right to walk away from it.”

    In a 2009 interview, Perry had joked that Texas was “thinking about” becoming an independent republic, but he dismissed the call to secede last year.





    State considers bringing gold home
    Texas has $1B in physical gold

    Updated: Friday, 22 Mar 2013, 10:35 PM CDT
    Published : Friday, 22 Mar 2013, 7:23 PM CDT

    Governor Perry is showing support for a bill to bring home rare and precious metals the state already owns.

    Republican Rep. Giovanni Capriglione of Southlake introduced House Bill 35-05. It would create the Texas Bullion Depository, which would house the physical gold bars the state owns.

    The Texas Tribune reports the state has a billion dollars in physical gold, which is owned by the University of Texas Investment Management Company.

    The gold is currently stored in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

    "If we can securely store this gold in Texas and do it at a lower cost to the state than where it is currently stored then we should take a look at that," the Governor said in a statement from his press office to KXAN on Friday. "Number one priority is that it is securely stored."

    The Federal Reserve in New York is a strong building from the outside. The gold vault itself is all the way on the basement floor.

    Built in the early 1920s, there is only one way into the vault. The 90-ton steel "cylinder door" is set in a 140-ton steel and concrete frame.

    Inside, gold bars are housed in individually numbered lockers which are all secured by three locks. The vault housed 530,000 gold bars that weigh close to 6,700 tons.

    The Texas Tribune says Capriglione's motive behind the bill is to show businesses that Texas has the financial security in the event of an international or national crisis.

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    What if Texas really did secede?

    Posted Sunday, Mar. 24, 2013
    By John HenrySpecial to the Star-Telegram




    Some 177 years after a violent divorce from Mexico, some unhappy Texans are again touting separation from the motherland, this time after a presidential election didn't favor one of the reddest states in the country.

    Perhaps it's no surprise. Texas is the only state that has twice tried breakaways, experiencing the spoils of victory in 1836 but the torment of defeat in 1865.
    "Let each go her own way," Peter Morrison, Hardin County's Republican treasurer, wrote in a recent Tea Party newsletter, calling those who voted to re-elect President Barack Obama "maggots." Critics consider that sentiment nothing but bravado.

    Still, the state's Republican leaders are in no mood to repair a fractured relationship with the federal government.

    Rep. Giovanni Capriglione, R-Southlake, has filed a bill designed to move $1 billion worth of Texas-owned gold bars from the Federal Reserve in New York to a Texas Bullion Depository.

    Gov. Rick Perry quickly expressed his support for reclaiming the gold as only a Texan can: We'll come and take it.

    "If we own it," Perry said on a radio program last week, "I will suggest to you that that's not someone else's determination whether we can take possession of it back or not."

    But, gold standards aside, is secession a realistic option for the second-most-populous state?

    Most experts say no.

    The Constitution doesn't ban secession, but the question was essentially settled more than 140 years ago in Texas v. White. The post-Civil War Supreme Court ruled secession illegal, saying states could leave only with the consent of the other states, meaning it would likely take an act of Congress.

    But stubborn advocates of breaking away, including more than 100,000 who signed a petition on the White House website, say the time is right.

    Texas sent $198 billion to Washington for the federal cause in 2011-12. The state got back roughly 90 cents of every dollar. Theoretically, if all that money went to Austin instead, as part of a new Republic of Texas, citizens would get a 10 percent tax break.

    The calculation, of course, isn't that simple.

    Massive resources


    Bob Smiley, a Los Angeles-based writer, has a bit of fun with a separate Texas in his comedic novel Don't Mess With Travis, which sort of qualifies him to speak on a topic that only a relative few take seriously.

    "Of all the states which have talked about secession, the strength of the Texas economy mixed with the wealth of its resources make the Lone Star State uniquely qualified to actually have a fighting chance of pulling it off," he said.

    Among the natural resources are 16 ports whose economic impact on the United States totals in the billions. For the past decade, Texas has been the top state for foreign exports. Last year, they totaled $265 billion, according to data from the Commerce Department and the Port of Houston, the nation's busiest port for foreign trade.

    The state had a gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property -- of $1.2 trillion in 2011, according to figures obtained by the Texas comptroller's office. That would rank as the 14th-largest economy in the world. Houston by itself would be the 25th-largest.

    Smiley noted that Texas possesses one-fourth of the nation's oil reserves and one-third of its natural gas reserves.

    Texas' leverage is heightened by the fact that 95 percent of the United States receives its oil and gas from pipelines that begin in the Lone Star State.

    All of that is indeed an advantage, said Jason Sorens, a professor of political science at the University of Buffalo who specializes in the study of separatist movements.

    Locations that have net fiscal transfers, like Catalonia in Spain, or larger regions in terms of population have stronger independence movements, said Sorens, a Yale-trained researcher with a recently published book titled Secessionism: Identity, Interest, and Strategy.

    "Frankly, Texas does seem more viable, as long as we're going with an extreme hypothetical," Sorens said. "It has the population, which makes it, at least from that perspective, more viable. It has the fiscal resources."

    That doesn't mean it's feasible. Texas almost certainly will not leave the union.

    But, what if ...

    Secession vote


    Texas' vote for secession in 1860 came despite an impassioned plea from Gov. Sam Houston.

    The "Constitution and the Union were to be perpetual blessings to the human race," Houston said. "That the success of the experiment of our fathers was beyond dispute, and that whether under the banner of the Lone Star or that many-starred banner of the Union, I could point to the land of Washington, Jefferson and Jackson as the land blessed beyond all other lands, where freedom would be eternal and Union unbroken."

    The North would win, Houston predicted, and the South and Texas would be crushed.

    Times are different.

    "There are a wide range of possible responses," Sorens said, "but I think we're long past deciding things that way."

    Sorens, remember, was speaking about an "extreme hypothetical." But for some Texans, the debate is real.

    Among the options bandied about by secession advocates is invoking the right under the U.S. Resolution of Annexation of 1845 to divide into five states. If that move succeeded, some say, the U.S. Senate would gladly vote to allow Texas to leave rather than tolerate eight more "Texas" senators in Washington.

    But if the legislative branch -- or an established method of leaving, such as something akin to amending the Constitution -- did not consent to Texas' exit, the federal government would likely flex its political and economic muscle and exert pressure on the misbehaving state, Sorens said.

    As for money, Capriglione's bill could be described as a starter kit for establishing a Texas currency.

    Battling in court

    Building a military and guarding borders and ports seem simple costs compared with untangling the massive social safety nets shared by Texas and the federal government.

    A formal separation request would seem to be the precursor to a long and convoluted legal entanglement, as both entities would need clear language on how to settle compensation for Social Security and Medicare insurance benefits paid upfront.

    Medicaid and CHIP payments paid out to the 4.8 million Texans on the rolls amounted to $23 billion in 2009, of which $16 billion was paid by the federal government.

    Almost 3.2 million Texans are at least partly insured through the federal Medicare program, and even more are in its prescription drug coverage plans.

    How would Texas' share of the national debt be resolved? Who would be responsible for disabled and aging veterans?

    Federal loan guarantees worth $3.3 billion have helped with badly needed infrastructure and transportation projects, including the North Tarrant Express. What is the cost of federally owned property, such as air bases and the Army's Fort Hood and Fort Bliss?

    Like the miserable married couple, the numbers should make any practical person step back and reassess, if not the measure of love, then the cost of divorce.
    The numbers, however, also make the case for separation, advocates say.

    Look how big and inefficient this nation is, they say. Half the world's countries have populations smaller than that of Massachusetts, said Harvard economics professor Alberto Alesina, who argues that austerity leads to growth.

    For the majority, the legal and practical hurdles to secession make such talk nothing but a distraction. Still, when Texans talk, other people seem to listen.

    "Secession is a deeply American principle," former Texas Congressman Ron Paul said, writing about the subject on his website. "This country was born through secession. Some felt it was treasonous to secede from England, but those 'traitors' became our country's greatest patriots."

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    I'd have a look should it come to pass. I wouldn't think the Obama administration would give up the economic boost given regularly by the State of Texas, though. Not without a fight. Seems like a viable concept, nonetheless.

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