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    Time Travellers From The Future 'Could Be here In Weeks'
    The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-6-2008 | Roger Highfield




    Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'
    By Roger Highfield, Science Editor


    Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 06/02/2008



    The first time travellers from the future could materialise on Earth within a few weeks.


    Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang of creation.


    1.21 gigawatts of electricity: Michael J Fox and Christopher Lloyd in the De Lorean time machine from Back to the Future

    Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.


    The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.


    That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.


    Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible.


    Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949, eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes: a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that he is never born in the first place.


    But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travellers cannot put historians out of business.


    But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called spacetime.
    While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in spacetime the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself. These loops are known to physicists as "closed timelike curves" and they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment.


    The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988, when Prof Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through spacetime, would allow time travel, a scheme popularised by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film - Contact.


    Prof Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes and so allow a form of time travel. "We realised that closed timelike curves and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof Aref'eva says.


    There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.


    Time travel could be possible ... in the future How the Time Machine works They tell The Daily Telegraph that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travellers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations."


    Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have travelled into a wormhole and through time.


    One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel.


    Dark energy - a mysterious antigravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy.


    If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, an advanced civilisation could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit.


    "The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!"


    A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible, Prof David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for messages from the future) even if their speculations are true."


    Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."
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    Paging Pamela, Darby and Rick.. not to mention Art Bell, Olav Phillips et al....
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    ha ha ha - I have to admit, I loved that John Titor saga on anomalies. Was an engaging read, and I learned a lot about the theories of quantum physics and hypotheticals of use of micro-singularities in time travel.

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    For shame Rick... You left out the pic of the DeLorean!

    Good thing I fixed it for you.

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    LOL

    I can't see images at work here, using Fire Fox - but if I go to IE I can. Maybe I will look later. lol
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    Ummmm.....


    OMG!


    Wow.



    Ok, so he was a couple of years off?
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    Artificial black hole created in lab
    Physicsworld ^ | 06 Mar 2008 | Jon Cartwright



    Everyone knows the score with black holes: even if light strays too close, the immense gravity will drag it inside, never to be seen again. They are thought to be created when large stars finally spend all their fuel and collapse. It might come as a surprise, therefore, to find that physicists in the UK have now managed to create an “artificial” black hole in the lab.



    Originally, theorists studying black holes focused almost exclusively on applying Einstein’s theory of general relativity, which describes how the gravity of massive objects arises from the curvature of space–time. Then, in 1974, the Cambridge University physicist Stephen Hawking, building on the work of Jacob Bekenstein, showed that quantum mechanics should also be thrown into the mix.



    Hawking suggested that the point of no return surrounding a black hole beyond which light cannot escape — the so-called event horizon — should itself emit particles such as neutrinos or photons. In quantum mechanics, Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle allows such particles to spring out of the empty vacuum in pairs all the time, although they usually annihilate shortly after. But if two particles were to crop up on either side of a black hole’s event horizon, the one on the inside would be trapped while the one on the outside could break free. To an observer, the black hole would look like a thermal body, and these particles would be the black hole’s “Hawking radiation”.



    This is all very well in theory, but in practice Hawking radiation from a black hole would be too low to be detected above the noisy cosmic microwave background (CMB) left over from the Big Bang. Simply put, black holes are too cold. Even the smallest black holes, which according to Hawking should have the warmest characteristic temperature, would still be about eight orders of magnitude colder than the CMB.



    Faced with the difficulty of observing Hawking radiation from astrophysical black holes, some physicists have attempted to make artificial ones in the lab that have a higher characteristic temperature. Clearly, generating huge amounts of gravity is both dangerous and next to impossible. But artificial black holes could be based on an analogous system in which the curved space–time of a gravitational field is enacted by another varying parameter that affects the propagation of a wave. “We cannot change the laws of gravity at our will,” Ulf Leonhardt at the University of St Andrews in the UK tells physicsworld.com. “But we can change analogous parameters in a condensed-matter system.” Leonhardt’s group at St Andrews is the first to create an artificial black-hole system in which Hawking radiation could be detected (Science 319 1367).

    We cannot change the laws of gravity at our will Ulf Leonhardt, University of St Andrews
    Fishy physics

    The idea of using analogous systems to create black holes was first proposed by William Unruh of the University of British Columbia in 1981. He imagined fish trying to swim upstream away from a waterfall, which represents a black hole. Beyond a certain point close to the waterfall, the current becomes so strong — like an event horizon — that fish cannot swim fast enough to escape. In the same vein, Unruh then considered what would happen to waves flowing from the sea into a river mouth. Because the current gets stronger farther up a river, the waves can only progress so far upstream before being defeated. In this way, the river is a “white hole”: nothing can enter.



    In the St Andrews experiment, which uses the refractive index of a fibre optic as the analogy for a gravitational field, there are actually both black and white holes. It relies on the fact that the speed of light of light in a medium is determined not only by the light’s wavelength, but also by the refractive index.



    The group begins by sending a pulse of light through an optical fibre that, as a result of a phenomenon known as the Kerr effect, alters the local refractive index. A split-second later they send a “probe” beam of light, which has a wavelength long enough to travel faster through the fibre and catch up the pulse. But due to the altered refractive index around the pulse, the probe light is always slowed enough to prevent it from overtaking — so the pulse appears as a white hole. Likewise, if the group were to send the probe light from the opposite end of the fibre, it would reach the pulse but would not be able to go through to the other side — so the pulse would appear as a black hole.

    What are the minimal properties required to induce Hawking radiation in a lab system the way we think it is induced by gravitational black holes? Renaud Parentani, University Paris-Sud
    Over the event horizon

    Leonhardt and his colleagues proved that these black- and white-hole event horizons exist by monitoring the group velocity of the probe light, which never exceeded that of the pulse. More importantly, they have calculated that it should be possible to detect Hawking-radiation particles produced at either of the event horizons by filtering out the rest of the light at the far end of the fibre.



    The detection of Hawking radiation would help physicists bridge the gap between quantum mechanics and general relativity, two presently incompatible theories. It might also help physicists investigate the mystery surrounding the wavelength of photons emitted at an event horizon, which is thought to start at practically zero before being stretched almost infinitely via gravity.



    However, Renaud Parentani of University Paris-Sud in France thinks that, although it may be possible to glimpse radiation from an event horizon in future versions of the group’s system, the radiation might not possess all the expected properties of Hawking radiation generated by astrophysical black holes. For instance, the fibre-optic system is limited by dispersion, which means that the wavelength of photons produced at the event horizon will not be stretched very far. “What are the minimal properties required to induce Hawking radiation in a lab system the way we think it is induced by gravitational black holes?” he asks. “The answer, even on the theoretical side, isn't clear. But these experiments will encourage us to consider the question more deeply."
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    There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.

    Please- if only the dingbats refrain from utilizing nanotechnology to iron out the quirks/ let there be light.

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    If you're traveling in a time machine, and you're eating corn on the cob, I
    don't think it's going to affect things one way or the other. But here's the
    point I'm trying to make: Corn on the cob is good, isn't it?
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    Forgive me, I'm getting old and forgetful.

    But, wasn't there some discussion during the Titor story of an element that would be "stable" when created? Like element number 119 or 115?

    I found this today:


    Nuclear scientists eye future landfall on a second 'island of stability' (atomic number 164?)
    Chemistry Times ^ | 4/8/08

    Modern-day scientific Magellans and Columbus's, exploring the uncharted seas at the fringes of the Periodic Table of the Elements, have landed on one long-sought island - the fabled Island of Stability, home of a new genre of superheavy chemical elements sought for more than three decades.

    In a presentation at the 235th national meeting of the American Chemical Society, one of the captains of these expeditions into the unknown, described how researchers now are eying other islands on the more-distant fringes of the periodic table.

    "Now that it has been shown that the 'island of stability' of superheavy elements exists, it would be interesting to predict the position of other islands," said Yuri Oganessian, Ph.D., of Russia's Joint Institute for Nuclear Research in Dubna. He is the scientific leader at the Institute's Flerov Laboratory of Nuclear Reactions.

    The discovery of superheavy elements at the beginning of this century by Oganessian's group also confirmed the existence of the Island of Stability, a theoretical region of the periodic table, which distinguished chemist and Nobel laureate Glenn Seaborg considered as one of the keystones of fundamental science. The "sea-and-island" analogy arose because these superheavy elements lie in an area of the periodic table where other elements are unstable, disappearing in much less than the blink of an eye. The superheavies, in contrast, are somewhat more stable than their shorter-lived cousins.

    Oganessian's group has teamed with California's Lawrence Livermore Laboratory to synthesize five new elements (113, 114, 115, 116, and 118) over the past six years. Such superheavy elements do not exist in nature and can only be created by smashing lighter elements together at tremendous speeds obtained by means of highly sophisticated particle accelerators.

    The periodic table, a fixture on the walls of science classrooms around the world, lists all the chemical elements. These materials make up everything in the universe, from human beings, medicines, and food to stars and swirling clouds of gas a billion light-years across the universe. Click here (pubs.acs.org/cen/80th/elements.html) to view the ACS's interactive Periodic Table of the Elements.

    The first 92 elements on the table exist naturally. The rest - which now extend to element 118 - were created by scientists in atomic nuclei collision with the aid of particle accelerators. Aptly named, these machines accelerate atoms to nearly 1/10 the speed of light and smash them into other so-called "target" atoms. Sometimes the nuclei of two colliding atoms fuse and a new element is formed.

    Oganessian and his colleagues are currently using Dubna's particle accelerator in an attempt to synthesize yet another superheavy element, No. 120, to add more territory to the island of stability. Strikingly, Oganessian believes that another, more distant, island of stability lies further out in that sea at the periodic table's fringes.

    "The next island is located very far from the first one," said Oganessian. How far away might that next island be" In terms of numbers on the periodic table, it could lie around atomic number 164, as some theorists predicted, certainly a long way from where researchers are exploring today in hopes of discovering element 120.

    But reaching the shores of the next island of stability will require a more deep understanding of the processes of element formation and a newer, more sophisticated particle accelerator, Oganessian believes.

    In order to study the physical and chemical properties of the current and yet-to-be discovered superheavy elements, the researchers will need to produce many more nuclides than they have been able to do so far, according to Oganessian.

    "For this purpose, we need to increase the beam intensity, which will demand a new accelerator," Oganessian said.

    It is difficult to anticipate what practical uses might come out of the search for new superheavy elements. For now, the focus is on discovery, not application. However, some previously synthesized elements have yielded tremendous benefits for people. One example, element 95 - Americium - discovered in 1944, is used in smoke detectors and in medical and industrial radiography.

    Oganessian declined to speculate on potential uses of future superheavy elements, but noted that it will take revolutionary new technology to produce large enough amounts of these elements to make them of practical use. Although he said it is hard for him to imagine such a technology, he expressed faith in the abilities of future researchers.

    "I don't want to fantasize, but if they can devise a method for the production of superheavy elements in large quantities, I am sure they can find some worthy application for these elements," Oganessian said.
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    Hi Rick,

    Just a quick question. Is this the first time you ever spoke to John Titor?

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    Wow...
    I've read this entire forum through twice now.

    What I find fasinating more than John's Time Traveling, are the people who seem to be attacking him. Now, I "believe" that Time Travel is possible - and I think there is plenty of physics evidence for this. So - perhaps the word "belief " is really not the correct word.

    I have a couple of questions for John as well, so if you can answer these John, I would appreciate your answers.

    1) Once a microsingularity is produced and placed in statis in a magnetic field, what is the approximate strength of that magnetic field.

    2) How is the magnetic field produced (I mean - what power source holds the field in place)?

    3) What would happen to the microsignularity if that source FAILED? For instance would the microsingularity begin to grow? Or would it cease to exist?

    In relation to my first comments about folks attacking John's veracity - I have to say that John's stories/statements DO hold water. The folks that chose not to believe him are welcome to do so, but, you do not have to "save anyone" from themselves or John. I believe most of us are intelligent enough to determine for ourselves if there is any kind of fraud. Even if there IS fraud, I personally am impressed with the background. It is well thought-out and consistent so far.

    John has stated several times that what he says will not affect us, or him, and what we say will not affect him whatsoever. I have to take that to mean that even if he DOES tell you something here, it will NOT affect HIS timeline, since there is some deviation from his actual timeline here. In other words, John is NOT the same John he is visiting now, as his 3 year old self. His mom and dad are NOT his REAL mom and dad in his time line. We are NOT the same PEOPLE IN HIS TIME LINE.

    Therefore, John (and none of you could do this either) can NOT tell us anything about our current timeline with any great accuracy that can be verified.

    Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfect4u1 View Post
    Hi Rick,

    Just a quick question. Is this the first time you ever spoke to John Titor?
    As in "on the phone"?

    I've spoken to him in chat, email and via forums. As to other forms of contact, I'll just keep that to myself.
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    Dear Rick,

    I was just wondering if that was the first message you ever sent him. I believe it was on anomalies.net that you sent that message to him. So I was just wondering if that was the first message on anomalies.net that you sent him.

    Also,
    I was wondering if you still have all the photos of Titor's manual, Time Machine, "Final Proof" Form (insurance for Chevy) and any other's concerning John Titor. My copies are not that clear or legible. If you can send them to me or have a link with as clear and legible pictures as possible, it would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Thanking you in Advance,

    P.S. If you want to send those pictures via e-mail you are welcome to do that. i believe you already have my e-mail address from past correspondence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perfect4u1 View Post
    Dear Rick,

    I was just wondering if that was the first message you ever sent him. I believe it was on anomalies.net that you sent that message to him. So I was just wondering if that was the first message on anomalies.net that you sent him.

    Also,
    I was wondering if you still have all the photos of Titor's manual, Time Machine, "Final Proof" Form (insurance for Chevy) and any other's concerning John Titor. My copies are not that clear or legible. If you can send them to me or have a link with as clear and legible pictures as possible, it would be GREATLY appreciated.

    Thanking you in Advance,

    P.S. If you want to send those pictures via e-mail you are welcome to do that. i believe you already have my e-mail address from past correspondence.
    Honestly, I don't recall the first message.

    All of the original files are someplace over on Anomalies. I don't keep track of that stuff any more.

    Get in touch with Darby, generally he can direct you to the files.
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    I actually got that from the "I am from 2036" thread on anomalies.net. (Page 1 I believe)

    When you mentionned Darby I assume you meant about the pictures correct?

    It is a shame you could not document the departure. I think it would have made a great topic for discussion for believers and non believers alike.

    Thanks Again

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    I think all up-and-comming movie producers should do exactly what "john" did to get the science right on sci-fi movies. i'd love to see a JT movie by spielberg or cameron.

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