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    Yes, Apparently The Trip Is Still A Go.

    I Hope He Survives It.

    Then Again, If He Is Assassinated And Made A Christian Martyr That May Be The Spark To Cause Catholics To Dispense With The False And Deceptive Notions That:

    A.) Islam Is An Abrahamic Religion, Deserving Of A Co-equal Status With Christianity

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    B.) Islam Is Not Truly An Existential Enemy Of The Chritstian West (Just As Oriana Fallaci Tried To Warn Europe About).
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    Yes, it is still a go and here is the plan:
    http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7576

    25 October, 2006
    TURKEY - VATICAN
    16,000 police to be deployed for pope’s safety
    Benedict XVI will travel in an armoured vehicle and two identical official cars will form part of his convoy. Traffic will be blocked and protests banned.

    Ankara (AsiaNews) – In Turkey, Benedict XVI will go from place to place in an armoured vehicle and two identical official cars will be part of his convoy. This is one of the security measures revealed by Ankara’s Security General Directorate, which has announced it will adhere to its ‘Type A protection plan’ for the papal visit, the same used for the visit of Bush.

    Drawn up in cooperation with the National Intelligence Agency (MIT) and the Gendarmerie, the plan seeks to ensure the safety of Benedict XVI from the moment he enters Turkey’s airspace. Turkish F-16 aircraft will accompany the pope’s flight in a measure of protection coupled with welcome.

    Soon after the Pope lands, traffic will be halted in the entire area. Police officers from special units and sharpshooters will be stationed beforehand along the Pope’s route.

    During the pope’s four-day visit (28 November – 1 December), 7,000 policemen will be on duty in Ankara, and 9,000 in Istanbul: the Directorate said it will not permit any leave of absences in those days.

    Apart from guaranteeing the safety of Benedict XVI, the huge deployment is also aimed at preventing protests sparked by the pope’s words during his “lectio” in Regensburg in September, which caused widespread street demonstrations. The police have warned that protests will be banned even in provinces not visited by the pope.
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    http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=42328


    Confirmed: Pope to visit Turkey in November


    Feb. 09 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI will travel to Turkey at the end of November 2006, the Vatican has confirmed.

    In a short announcement released on February 9, the Vatican press office said that Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer had issued a formal invitation, which the Pontiff had accepted. The dates for the trip are set for November 28 to 30.

    As CWN reported on January 30, Turkish government authorities and informed Vatican officials had earlier confirmed that the visit would take place in November, but the dates had not yet been fixed.
    The Pope's visit will coincide with the feast of St. Andrew, the patron of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, on November 30. Shortly after Pope Benedict's election, Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew I had invited the Pope to join him for the celebration of that feast day. The Pontiff had accepted the invitation, but his wish to make the trip in 2005 was thwarted by the Turkish government's reluctance to issue a quick invitation. Later-- having signaled its annoyance with the Orthodox leader for issuing an invitation without prior consultation, and perhaps also its displeasure with remarks that the Pontiff had made criticizing Turkey's bid for entry into the European Union-- the Ankara regime suggested that Pope Benedict would be welcome to visit in 2006. The official announcement of the papal trip comes just as Church officials are still mourning the death of Father Andrea Santoro, an Italian missionary priest who was killed in Turkey on February 5, apparently by an Islamic fanatic. The slain priest had only recently written to Pope Benedict, asking the Holy Father to visit his little parish in the Black Sea port town of Trabzon, during his stay in Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Osborne View Post
    Yes, Apparently The Trip Is Still A Go.

    I Hope He Survives It.

    http://www.dispatch.co.za/2006/10/30/Foreign/bene.html



    Anti-pope plot sparks fears

    POPE Benedict XVI can almost certainly expect a chilly welcome when he visits Turkey next month, but a Turkish novelist claims worse is in store for the head of the Catholic church – an assassination attempt.

    Yucel Kaya’s book, Plot Against the Pope, could easily have been dismissed as second-rate fiction, but the uproar Benedict XVI triggered with his recent controversial remarks about Islam, coupled with several attacks in Turkey targeting priests, have raised concern.

    The novel is about a conspiracy to kill the pope, involving the ultra-conservative Roman Catholic society Opus Dei, the notorious P-2 masonic lodge and United States intelligence services, to prepare the ground for a US attack on Iran.

    The cover of the book, sub-titled Who will kill the pope in Istanbul?, features Benedict XVI in front of a cross engulfed in flames, with a bearded gunman aiming at the pontiff.
    Georges Marovitch, the Vatican’s representative in Istanbul, sought to play down the book but said that, irked by its cover, he recently went to see the author to ask why he had to stretch his imagination that far.

    “I was worried that some abnormal types may read the book and get ideas,” he said.

    Marovitch said he asked Kaya for a letter explaining his motives, which he presented to leaders of the tiny Catholic community in Turkey.

    Benedict XVI has already won himself a reputation here as the “anti-Turkish pope” for saying, when he was still Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, that Ankara’s membership in the European Union would be “a grave error against the tide of history”.

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    The Challenge of Protecting Pope Benedict XVI in Turkey

    November 17, 2006 14 25 GMT

    Pope Benedict XVI will begin his first papal visit to a predominantly Muslim country Nov. 28 when he arrives in Turkey for four days of private meetings, public masses and other events. The trip, which already has generated some death threats against the pope, has both Turkish and Vatican security on high alert.

    Tensions between Muslims and Benedict XVI flared up in September when the pope made
    remarks at Germany's University of Regensburg that seemed to refer to Islam as "evil." Although the pope later sought to clarify his comments, the incident reopened Muslim wounds caused by the controversy earlier in the year over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

    In light of recent incidents -- as well as the ongoing
    militant threat in Turkey -- security officials in Turkey, Vatican City and Italy are taking threats against the pope very seriously. On Nov. 2, a Turkish man fired several shots at the Italian Consulate in Istanbul and threatened to shoot Benedict XVI during his visit to Turkey. The man, who was subsequently arrested, is believed to have acted alone. In Turkey, Mehmet Ali Acga, who attempted to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981, said from prison Sept. 20 that Benedict XVI should not visit Turkey, and suggested that the pontiff's life would be in danger if he went ahead with his plans.

    That same day, Rome's city prosecutor launched an investigation into threats against the pope posted on the Internet by Iraqi jihadist groups. The head of the prosecutor's anti-terrorism department said the investigation would focus on statements intended to incite people to take action against a head of state. Because the pope is the head of state of the Vatican, threats against him receive the same level of attention from intelligence and law enforcement as do threats against any other head of state. His status as head of state also affords him the highest level of protection.

    At home in Vatican City, the pope is protected by two modern security corps: the centuries-old Swiss Guards and the Gendarmerie Corps of the State of Vatican City. Additional security is provided by plainclothes agents and Italian Carabinieri, federal police who patrol outside the square and stand ready as sharpshooters atop buildings during public ceremonies.

    While abroad, the pope travels with a plainclothes security detail of Swiss Guards, which operates in a manner similar to the U.S. Secret Service (USSS) or the U.S. State Department's Diplomatic Security Service (DSS), organizations charged with protecting the president and U.S. diplomats overseas. The Vatican's security forces are every bit as proficient as the USSS and DSS.

    It is important to note, however, that the host country ultimately is responsible for protecting visiting heads of state. Thus, Turkey will collect intelligence on the national level in advance of and during the trip. In addition to Vatican and Turkish efforts, various other intelligence agencies will be looking for possible threats to the pope's safety.

    Arrangements between Vatican and Turkish security forces would have been made months before the pope's visit, starting with an agreement between the two on how they will operate together. As part of the agreement, agents from Vatican security would have been deployed to Turkey about a month prior to the visit in order to assess the security situation and determine potential vulnerabilities at the sites the pontiff will visit. During this time, Vatican security will be working closely with the Turkish Security General Directorate and National Intelligence Agency, which will be compiling its own security assessments.

    Sweeps for potential troublemakers already are under way in the cities the pope will visit, and Turkish police will pick up suspected subversives and mentally disturbed people who have made threats against the pope's life. To this end, Vatican security will provide a list of people who have attempted to contact the pope with threats. As the visit approaches, Turkish authorities will likely announce that several "thwarted plots" against the pope have been uncovered during these sweeps.

    However, as media coverage heats up in the lead-up to the visit, the furor over the Regensburg remarks, and possibly the cartoons, could re-ignite, especially in a country that is more than 99 percent Muslim. In any case, demonstrations by religious and student groups can be expected, most likely at pre-authorized locations. In that case, vigilance by security forces will be high to ensure the protests do not get out of hand.

    As the pope's arrival date approaches, security forces will take their positions around the locations on his itinerary. Sweeps for explosives will be conducted in these areas and countersniper support will be scanning rooftops and windows. Once in Turkey, Benedict XVI will travel in motorcades of armored vehicles, which will include decoy cars.

    The pope plans to spend one night in Ankara and two in Istanbul, though information on his lodgings has not been released. Choices include the Holy See Embassy Residence in Ankara and the Hilton Istanbul hotel, where U.S. President George W. Bush stayed on his visit to Turkey in June 2004.

    A hotel stay would present more security challenges for the pope's protective detail than would a stay in a state-owned residence. Should he lodge at a hotel, security will have to run checks on all the other guests staying there during his visit. Moreover, the day-to-day commercial operations of the hotel will present many security vulnerabilities, especially with caterers, laundry, cleaning staff and other personnel constantly coming and going.

    A residence owned by the Vatican, on the other hand, can be better secured, and occupants and staff more thoroughly vetted to screen for infiltrators or individuals with nefarious agendas. There also would be less vulnerability from caterers, laundry and other hotel staff coming and going.

    The pope's itinerary includes several stops in Ankara and Istanbul, as well as at the sites of ancient Christian communities in Smyrna and Ephesus. In Ankara, the pope will meet with Turkish President Ahmet Necdet Sezer and Turkey's highest Muslim authority, Grand Mufti Ali Bardakoglu, who is deputy prime minister and head of Turkey's Religious Affairs Directorate. In addition to Vatican security, the pope will be protected by the high security that normally surrounds Turkish leaders. These meetings, as well as others with Turkish Christian, Muslim and Jewish religious leaders, will take place at controlled venues and will be attended by screened and invited guests only. These venues also can be easily locked down and screened for improvised explosive devices.

    Potentially vulnerable points will be at Meryem Ana Evi Shrine in Ephesus when the pope celebrates mass there Nov. 29, and at Istanbul's Cathedral of the Holy Ghost, where he will deliver a homily Dec. 1, the last day of his trip. Although those events are open to the public, the venues will be thoroughly swept for bombs beforehand, and all participants and the entire congregation will be screened for weapons and explosives.

    Even without the tensions surrounding Benedict XVI's visit to Turkey, the history of attacks and plotted attacks against his predecessor requires that security be high at all times. The most serious attack in recent memory came when Acga shot Pope John Paul II twice in the abdomen as the pope entered St. Peter's Square in an open-air convertible. Almost a year after that attack, on May 12, 1982, an ultraconservative Spanish priest who believed the pope was an agent of Moscow approached John Paul in Fatima, Portugal, with the intent of stabbing him with a bayonet, though the man was stopped and arrested before he could reach the pontiff. In 1995,
    Abdel Basit plotted to kill Pope John Paul II during a visit to the Philippines.

    Any papal visit to a foreign country presents significant security challenges. However, given the recent tensions between Christians and Muslims -- and particularly between this pope and Muslims -- this visit will require an even higher level of vigilance.




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    What has NOT been reported by MSM regarding the true nature and purpose of the Pope's visit to Turkey.


    01 Dec 2006

    Pope in Turkey: A Reluctant State Guest

    by Srdja Trifkovic



    On Friday Pope Benedict XVI arrived back in Rome following a four-day visit to Turkey. His trip marked his first papal visit to a Muslim nation, and was marked by controversy that followed remarks he made in September on the link between violence and Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. Before leaving Turkey the pope celebrated Mass for the small Roman Catholic community in Istanbul and repeated his call to heal divisions among the world’s Christians. On Wednesday pope met Patriarch Bartholomew I, widely respected as “the first among equals” among Orthodox bishops. Earlier in the week, immediately upon his arrival in Turkey, the pontiff surprised the world by telling the Turkish Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, that the Holy See supports his country’s entry to the European Union. He also called for increased dialogue, peace and reconciliation between Christians and Muslims, and—according to Mr. Erdogan—“the most important message the Pope gave was toward Islam, he reiterated his view of Islam as peaceful and affectionate.”





    To consider the significance of these events we bring you a transcript of Srdja Trifkovic’s interview on Pope Benedict’s visit broadcast on Issues, Etc., presented by Todd Wilken on KFUO (St. Louis, MO). The Rev. Wilken is an ordained minister in theLutheran Church-Missouri Synod. His first question to Dr. Trifkovic—a regular guest on his program—was if Benedict’s statements have changed the atmosphere in his official talks with Turkish leaders.

    TRIFKOVIC: First of all let’s be clear on one point: it was the Turkish government that dictated the framework and the official status of his visit. The pope’s original intention was to pay a strictly pastoral visit to Patriarch Bartholomew, the Ecumenical Patriarch. It was NOT his intention to have a state visit to Turkey, and certainly it had not been his intention to visit Ankara at all. Your listeners need to know that the Turks, even though nominally secular, are treating the Orthodox Patriarch as an obedient subject of theirs—and he did not have any say in this matter. What the Turks have done is the equivalent of the Italian Republic telling the leader of the Anglican Church that he cannot come to the Vatican and visit the pope, unless he agrees that his visit is to be a fully-blown state visit to Italy that would include formal visits with the President of the Republic, the Prime Minister, and the laying of a wreath at the tomb of king Victor Emmanuel.


    WILKEN: What you are saying is that we have a big story here: the political leaders of Turkey are dictating the terms of pope’s visit, of why he’s visiting and what he’s going to do?

    TRIFKOVIC: Absolutely, and this is something too delicate for the pope to hint at, for him or the Vatican bureaucracy. This is something well known and quite obvious to the curious, and yet it seems to elude the attention of countless commentators, scribes and talking heads. Turkey, a nominally secular country, is abusing its position of physical control over the Orthodox Patriarchate of Constantinople, and using it as a means of forcing the pope to convert a visit originally intended to be pastoral into a state occasion. Furthermore, regarding his latest statements on Islam’s “peacefulness” and his support for Turkey in the European Union, there was a pound of flesh to be extracted on the account of his Regensburg address and his earlier statements that clearly indicated his opposition to Turkey joining the EU. On both those topics I do not believe that the Pope was being completely sincere in his latest statements, but he is between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, had he cancelled the visit, that would have aggravated the position of the remaining few Christians in Turkey, who are already under immense pressure. On the other hand, once he decided to go ahead with the visit, he knew he’d have to make all of the politically correct statements that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and others were expecting. Personally I think it was rather unfortunate that the pope opted for the second course. I do not think that Turkey belongs in the European Union. If one were to be cynical one could say that the only reason why Turkey should join the EU is to bring about a speedy end of that odious institution, because it would be subjected to all kinds of internal pressures that could no longer be accommodated. Nevertheless, the Pope’s statement about the “peaceful” and “loving” nature of Islam is not only at odds with his Regensburg address—where he was only quoting Emperor Manuel, rather than venting his own views—but it is quite clear that his words in Ankara were spoken under duress.

    WILKEN: You have mentioned several times that Turkey is “ostensibly” a secular state, so do you see Turkey moving towards political Islam, towards officially becoming an Islamic state any time in the near future?
    TRIFKOVIC: If you remember the shah, he seemed fairly solid and inviolable in his position of near-absolute power in Iran throughout the 1970s, and it was only in the last year of his rule that things rapidly started going downwards. I believe that Iran in 1975 or 1976 corresponds to where Turkey is today: three or four years away from an Islamic wave that is already sweeping the country but is not yet apparent at the top of the political pyramid. Turkey’s elite class is rather narrow, it invludes many Western-educated people with highly developed sensibility, notably the Nobel Prize winner for literature Orhan Pamuk, people willing and able to act as a bridge between two cultures and two continents. But by and large Turkey is an overwhelmingly Muslim society. The feelings of the Turks are well manifested in the fact that they’ve elected Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his party that is now termed “post-Islamist”—but he hasn’t given up on any of the tenets of his political creed. What is particularly worrying is that the junior officer ranks of the Turkish army are being affected by the Islamist tendencies. And yet the Army is widely regarded as the only real bulwark, the defender of the legacy of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the reformer who, back in the 1920s, turned the derelict Ottoman Empire into Turkey, a secular nation-state.

    WILKEN: Turkey is constantly referred to as the friendliest Muslim nation we have, that is, the one nation with predominantly Islamic population that is a friend of the West. Is that a deserved reputation?

    TRIFKOVIC: Not at all. If you look at the actual sentiments of ordinary Turks, they are well reflected in the most popular movie ever made in Turkey—it is called “Valley of the Wolves, Iraq.” It offers a largely fictitious account of a firefight between a Turkish contingent of peacekeepers and an American Marine unit. It is very loosely based on fact—there had been a skirmish resulting from a case of mistaken identity—but it is a film in which evil Americans deliberately shoot civilian guests at a wedding party, including a little boy, and they kidnap Iraqis in order to remove their body organs and sell them on the black market in New York, and—significantly—Tel Aviv. Turkey is also a country where a Westerner may feel relatively safe and relatively comfortable in Istanbul or in a resort along the Aegean Coast (when the Kurds are not blowing themselves up during the tourist season, that is). If you go into the heartland of Anatolia, however, and if you go to the eastern part of Turkey, you’ll find that U.S. personnel at Incirlik Air Force Base have to travel in convoys and carry small arms with them at all times. It is no longer safe for them to go around on their own. Let’s also remember that Turkey has regional ambitions that far exceed the appetites of a regular secular, democratic country. In the Aegean Turkey has constant territorial disputes with the Greeks, and in 1974 it militarily occupied the northern two-thirds of Cyprus—an independent and sovereign country—in an act of blatant military aggression for which it had never been reprimanded, let alone punished, either by NATO or by Washington. Turkey has further geopolitical designs in the former Soviet Central Asia, most of which is ethnically or linguistically related to the Turks. What we are witnessing is a regional power of the first order in the making that has every reason to mimic the language of modern secularism in its PR, but which, in essence, remains culturally, spiritually and politically, not to mention ethnically, vastly different from the rest of Europe—not only vastly different, but also potentially inimical to Europe.

    WILKEN: Are you comforted at all that, at least in its outward form, Turkey nevertheless remains a democracy?

    TRIFKOVIC: Turkey “remains” a democracy in the sense in which Iraq is “turning into” a democracy: a budding Islamic theocracy in which the institutions of political Islam are being re-legitimized by the will of the majority. In Turkey, under the democratic veneer we are witnessing the erosion of Kemalist institutions, and the gradual return of the Islamic mindset that once dominated the Ottoman domain. It is very much in line with the overall phenomenon of what is known as “democracy in the Greater Middle East.” We’ve witnessed it in Algeria, where the Army had to intervene in 1994 to prevent the Islamists from coming to power, and in the Palestinian Authority last January, where Hamas was victorious in a general election. It was exactly a year ago that President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt allowed the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikwanis, to contest elections, and in every constituency where they were allowed to field candidates, they swept the board. So yes, Turkey is very much a “democracy”—in the spirit of the Islamic Greater Middle East.








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