Mexican Aliens Seek To Retake 'Stolen' Land

[Ryan Ruck]

Mexican Aliens Seek To Retake 'Stolen' Land

La reconquista, a radical movement calling for Mexico to "reconquer" America's Southwest, has stepped out of the shadows at recent immigration-reform protests nationwide as marchers held signs saying, "Uncle Sam Stole Our Land!" and waved Mexico's flag.

Even as organizers urged marchers to display U.S. flags, the theme of reclaiming "stolen" land remained strong. One popular banner read: "If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true history because I'm in my homeland."

"We need to change direction," said Jose Lugo, an instructor in Ethnic Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder at a campus march last week. "And by allowing these 50,000, 50 million [immigrants] to come in here, we can do that."

The revolutionary tone has surprised even longtime immigration watchers such as Ira Mehlman, the Los Angeles-based spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

"I've always been skeptical myself about this [reconquista], but what I've seen over the last few weeks leads me to believe that there's more there than I thought," Mr. Mehlman said.

"You're seeing people marching with Mexican flags chanting, 'This is our country.' I don't think that we can dismiss this as youthful exuberance or a bunch of hotheads," he said.

Hispanic rights leaders insist there's nothing to the so-called reconquista, sometimes referred to as Aztlan, the mythical ancestral homeland of the Aztecs that reportedly stretches from the border to southern Oregon and Colorado.

Nativo Lopez, president of the Mexican American Political Association in Los Angeles, one of the march organizers, was infuriated when a reporter asked him about the reconquista.

"I can't believe you're bothering me with questions about this. You're not serious," Mr. Lopez said. "I can't believe you're bothering with such a minuscule, fringe element that has no resonance with this populous."

At the same time, some analysts say the seismic demographic shifts brought on by unchecked border crossings and birth rates are resulting in a de facto reconquista.

"Demographically, socially and culturally, the reconquista of the Southwest United States by Mexico is well under way," Harvard University professor Samuel P. Huntington said in 2004.

"No other immigrant group in U.S. history has asserted or could assert a historical claim to U.S. territory. Mexicans and Mexican-Americans can and do make that claim," he said.

A three-minute videotape made by the Immigration Watchdog Web site plays speeches by Hispanic professors and elected officials making references to Aztlan and the idea of a demographic takeover.

"We are millions. We just have to survive. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population," Jose Angel Gutierrez, political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, said on the videotape.

In an interview, Mr. Gutierrez said there was "no viable" reconquista movement. He blamed interest in the issue on closed-border groups and "right-wing blogs" such as American Patrol and L.A. Watchdog, but those Web sites are getting plenty of ammunition from groups like La Voz de Aztlan, a Whittier, Calif.-based news service that advocates a separatist state while criticizing Jews and "gringos."

Then there's the Mexica Movement, which wants to "reconstruct" the United States as an "indigenous" nation called Anahuac. Professor Charles Truxillo of the University of New Mexico envisions a sovereign Hispanic nation called the Republica del Norte that would encompass Northern Mexico, Baja California, California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

MEChA, an acronym for the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, has come under fire for revolutionary language in its "El Plan de Aztlan," a founding document that declares "the independence of our Mestizo nation," decries the "brutal gringo invasion," and says that land "rightfully ours will be fought for and defended."

What's notable about MEChA is its otherwise mainstream image. Most Hispanic leaders, including Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, belonged to MEChA in high school or college. Former Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante came under fire from conservatives for refusing to renounce his membership during the 2003 gubernatorial race.

Federico Rangel, a University of Colorado graduate student and MEChA officer, said most students view Aztlan as part of their history, not as a rallying cry for revolution.

"Aztlan isn't what people say it is, like the reconquista," said Mr. Rangel, who carried a MEChA sign at Monday's rally. "It's a spiritual homeland to Chicanos."

[Fourth Horseman]

Hispanics reclaiming the Southwest simply by means of putting more and more people there certainly seems possible. After all, that's the way we took over Texas.

But the real question that needs to be asked is this, "If Mexico took over Southern California up to and including San Francisco... would we really be too sad?"

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May 2, 2011 10:46 PM
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LOS ANGELES (CBS) — Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa is headed to Washington for a series of meetings with Obama cabinet officials and Democratic leadership.

The mayor is scheduled to be in Washington D.C. Tuesday to meet with White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley, Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood and Secretary of Education Arne Duncan.

Villaraigosa is also scheduled to meet with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., the new chair of the Democratic National Committee, and Rep. John Kline, R-Minn., the chair of the House Education and Workforce Committee.

Villaraigosa is also expected to speak at the Climate Leadership Gala at the Ronald Reagan Building & International Trade Center.

This will be Villaraigosa’s seventh trip to Washington, D.C. since September. It will be his second trip is six days. He was in Chicago Thursday and Friday for the National Summit on City Design.

[Malsua]

The True history of the southwest.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...sts?page=72#72

"The True History of the Southwest, 101"

The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerors") did it with the lance, and the lash.

For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present-day Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the "lost cities of gold." One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not with hugs and kisses. It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul-mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners, who spin the "new bronze race of Mestizos" toro-mierda.

By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current U.S. Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of the independent but strife-torn government of Mexico City. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican abandonment and neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.

For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been active for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal subjects in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican governmental influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.

Increasingly, a growing United States of America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these provinces subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN. To this very day, if you want a punch in the nose, just call an Hispanic native of New Mexico a "Mexican!"

So how long did Mexico City have even nominal jurisdiction (in their eyes) over the American Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards by every measure until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all they received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.

Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans still stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start until today. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America that they can never hope to obtain in Mexico.

And because today Mexico is a corrupt third-world pest-hole, (despite having more millionaires and billionaires than Great Britain), we are now supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there?

From where does this absurd idea spring?

At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn't happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.

In summary, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!

NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property their ancestors were deprived of, NOT ONE.

They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.

It's time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.

[Malsua]

Spain brought us the conquest of Mexico and the Inquisition as well as ole Christopher Columbus.

Those Spaniards are long gone, and thankfully so. I think a current day conquistador would be sunk at sea by the US Military

[Malsua]

The article itself is confused,it speaks about the past to explain the present.

But wait;there are contradictions.



The here and now mexicans?

Current Mexicans are claiming that the Southwest United States is their land, stolen from them in the 1800s. They plan to "Reconquista" this land. They never conquered it in the first place. It's a fiction so they can leave their shitty country and take over my country and make it shitty.

Who were the old colonizer?

"They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple."

Everybody are invaders for someone else.

Native Americans lived in the Southwest. They were push off their land and either killed or put on reservations. There never was very many of them.

Current means now.

So:where is the problem?

If nobody claim nothing.

That's the problem. They claim ownership to something no ancestor of theirs ever owned.

Is there a sea between Mexico and US???

What do you sink?

A boat in the desert?

They got there by boat. Once inside the 200 nautical mile exclusive range, they'd be sunk.

[Malsua]

You see that post of peterle's with the Aztecs engaging in human sacrifice? That's what would still be going on in Mexico if it weren't for the Spanish. And the 'Spanish Inquisition' wasn't permitted in the New World under Spanish rule, but the Spanish Colonies were under the Authority of the 'Council of the Indies'. The Spanish were liberators from a truly satanic system of institutional evil, and who abolished the frightful and savage practices that kept Mesoamerican Indian civilization in a permenent state of superstition and fear. The Spanish Inquisition was Spain's 'Department of Homeland Security' after 800 years of Moslem misrule, and was a secular institution whose actions were greatly exaggerated by 19th century novelists out to make a buck. If your country was ruled by Moslems for 800 years, and there were thousands of recent converts who wished to stay and pretend at being Christian, you'd wish you had a Spanish Inquisition too, so that these 'sleeper cells' didn't get the upper hand and bring their comrades in North Africa back again once more.

Don't buy into the anticatholic and antispanish BS that distorts the true historical facts. Were there abuses? Sure, the Spanish were human beings in a position of control where they were greatly superior in many ways to the people they conquered, and history shows that every time this kind of disparity happens, abuses surely follow.

The Spanish Inquisition was a good thing then? Thanks, I didn't know that. Learn something new every day.

The Spaniards that came to Mexico were driven by greed. That they helped end human sacrifice is a benefit. Human sacrifice would not have survived much longer even if the Spanish had never showed up, it would not be practiced today. The world would not allow it.