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We would be able to trade to them energy and food but what would such a new Liberal nation have to offer us that we wouldn't already have?
Movies, entertainment, music, porn....
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2GjV80us0
you know, the usual shit.
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I should have said, "...what useful things would such a new Liberal nation have to offer us that we wouldn't already have?"
As an aside, I wouldn't let this within 10 yards of my gentleman sausage...
http://i50.tinypic.com/5ezaxf.jpg
Ha! Ha! No "Graphic Picture" warning for you!
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I am still strongly considering the closing of my facebook.
I did that years ago. I can meet the people I want here or on the phone. I don't need to see whether their dog made a cute poo. Too many creeps out there were trolling my kids too so I closed theirs also. They don't even miss it.
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The scary part is if you went to reactivate your facebook all your data would be there again as they retain it all. Private company, so they can after all, though I think it is poor form to do so if one decides to leave.
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we do the same thing here Phil.
But, I'd think it would be ok to delete stuff on there, one thing at a time. Can't do that either.
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My cousin had closed his facebook after deleting content. he later reopened it to see all his content and all back.
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After careful and thorough consideration for the question posed by this thread, I state, "Yes. America will be no more soon".
A lot of things are coming to fruition for the Lefties of the world. And most of them will hit sometime around March of this year. I can't say I realized this until it was pointed out to me, but the time line makes sense.
Here is just one... one which everyone is ignoring.
UN Arms Trade Treaty to be finale in March
By Michael Webster: Syndicated Investigative Reporter
As a politically divisive debate on gun control rages on in the United States following a rash of mass shootings, the United Nations voted today to meet in March to finalize the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) after nearly two decades of negotiations.
Dr Natalie Goldring, a senior research fellow at the Center for Security Studies at the Edmund A Walsh School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, said the upcoming conference probably represented the final opportunity to reach such a treaty within the UN structure.
The 193-member General Assembly voted overwhelmingly - 133 to nil, with 17 abstentions - to hold the conference on March 18-28, 2013.
All six major arms-exporting countries - China, France, Germany, Russia, the UK and the United States - voted for the resolution.
The conference is expected to approve a treaty to regulate the estimated $73bn global arms trade. In 2011, the United States alone concluded arms deals worth $66.3bn, according to the Congressional Research Service.
The current draft text, which will be the negotiating document in March, has been kicked around since July 2012.
The National Rifle Association (NRA), the most powerful gun lobby in the United States, has opposed the treaty on the belief it would hinder or deprive gun ownership in the USA.
"The political environment is quite different (since the November presidential polls). My hope is that President (Barack) Obama's convincing re-election victory last month will help ensure that the US delegation advocates a strong ATT now and in the negotiating conference next spring," Goldring said.
The US government has made clear its refusal to accept a treaty with any provisions that would restrict civilian possession of firearms in the United States. It has even published its "diplomatic redlines" on the Department of State website, an action that may be without precedent in this context.
Thus far the US government has also opposed any inclusion of ammunition or explosives in the treaty, which Goldring considers "short sighted".
"At a minimum, all countries should be required to track ammunition when it is exported, as the United States already does. To be effective, an ATT must include all types of transfers and all types of conventional weapons, including their parts, components, and munitions," she said.
According to the DICK ACT of 1902... It CAN'T BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) -
Protection against Tyrannical Government
The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R.11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army.
The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion).
These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the
Limits of the United States."
The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been Impeached.
During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada.
The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states.
Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10,1917, pages 6836-6840 which states:
"The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of The States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."
"This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.
Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."
All according to The Honorable William Gordon.
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Here's another March deadline:
Obama signs sequestration delay, defense bill
By John T. Bennett - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Jan 3, 2013 9:15:00 EST
A vacationing President Obama has signed the controversial measure that delays pending cuts to projected Pentagon spending and the 2013 military policy bill, the White House said.
From Hawaii, Obama reviewed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, which extends tax breaks for most Americans and raises rates on high earners while delaying big cuts to planned domestic and defense spending.
He ordered his signature be placed via the autopen on that bill, which steers the nation around the fiscal cliff.
The fiscal cliff bill’s two-month sequestration delay sets a new March 1 deadline for passage of at least $1.2 trillion in deficit-reduction measures, the amount needed to turn off the defense and domestic sequestration cuts. If Congress and Obama again fail to do so, sequestration would take effect March 27, according to the law.
Efforts to cobble together those deficit-cutting components will take place at the same time Obama and lawmakers are engaged in what is expected to be a bitter fight over raising the nation’s borrowing limit.
The White House also shipped to Hawaii a copy of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, which it had threatened Obama would veto over terrorist detainee language. Obama physically signed the NDAA, according to a White House pool report.
The policy bill clears the Pentagon to spend $633 billion on aircraft, ships and vehicles. Notably, the NDAA clears the Pentagon to enter into multiyear procurement deals on several programs, including for Army CH-47 helicopters, Navy DDG-51 destroyers and V-22 tiltrotor aircraft.
The policy act, finalized Dec. 18 by a House-Senate conference committee, also limits DoD’s ability to get more involved in the biofuels industry and places restrictions on its plans to develop a military-only unit to conduct espionage, long the bailiwick of the CIA.
The NDAA places the development of a new U.S.-based missile shield on a slower track than its GOP backers would like. Sources expect a new fight over the proposed East Coast missile shield this spring and summer, when lawmakers begin work on the 2014 Pentagon policy bill.
The NDAA clears the Pentagon to spend $552.2 billion in base budget monies and another $88.5 billion on ongoing global wars and other operations.
The total amount is $1.7 billion above the Obama administration’s 2013 Pentagon budget request, which arrived on Capitol Hill earlier this year.
The conference panel dubbed the legislation “an incremental step to address the $46 billion decrease when considering where the president proposed national defense [spending] would be for fiscal year 2013 in last year’s budget,” according to a summary of the compromise bill released late last month.
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Today Feinstein plans to introduce a bill to the Senate. It has to go to committee and it can be pushed to the top of the list. That bill will probably hit vote around March if everything goes well for the anti-gunners. Once it is voted on - and the House side has their bill, pushed through committee, then they confer, match the bills up and send it to the President. He has 10 days to sign or veto (fat chance a gun bill will be vetoed).
End of March
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Hmmm... Beware the Ides of March...
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There was much more Ryan. Unfortunately, I didn't write it all down. If I had you and everyone else probably would say "Oh! My!" or words to that effect.
I suspect that there will be an increase of activity from the anarchists around March as well - because it's starting to warm up around then in some areas of the country (not so much NY per se, but other places south). So I freely predict they will be kicking up a shit storm about something, someplace - and I think the Leftists will be out there in force with anti-gun signs, calling the NRA "murderer" again, among other stuff.
The attention will be on that while Sequestration kicks in and a crap ton of people are suddenly and summarily laid off. The media won't even mention it at first, except in passing. Then the economy will take a might nose dive.
That's what I think.
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After careful and thorough consideration for the question posed by this thread, I state, "Yes. America will be no more soon".
A lot of things are coming to fruition for the Lefties of the world. And most of them will hit sometime around March of this year. I can't say I realized this until it was pointed out to me, but the time line makes sense.
This reminds me of a message I heard a pastor give having a dream on 12-28-11 about Obama winning the election over Romney (this was long before Romney was even nominated as the Republican candidate) and staying in power.
In this dream America had bombs going off all over the country, destroying much of it. He saw people stand outside their homes weeping and holding each other. Then he heard someone say, "this should never have happened, this should never have happened."
Then he was standing on the back side of the White House, he heard a voice say, “Look toward the Truman Balcony.”
He turned and saw Barack Obama standing on a balcony, holding a shot gun. He heard a loud scream... really loud. He turned to see where the scream came from and flying high in the air above was an eagle, it appeared so majestic flying over Washington D.C. (The pastor did not know there was a balcony called the “Truman Balcony.”)
He saw Barack Obama point the shotgun and shoot the eagle out of the air, it fell dead to the ground. Obama smiled and said, "I've done it, and I won't have to deal with this in my administration."
Then he saw a very old table in Washington D.C, it looked as if it had been used over many years to sign many important documents in the past. I saw a voting ballot laying on this table with two names on it. It had “Barack Obama” and “Mitt Romney.” I saw a check mark beside Obama’s name. These words were written at the bottom of the ballot.
This same pastor just had another dream on 11-24-2012, he saw Obama standing behind his desk in the oval office and put his foot on the body of the fallen eagle and twist the head of the eagle 3 times and pulled it off. Then he saw into Obama's chest and around his heart was a swirling black cloud.
He asked the Lord, "when would this begin"? He heard a voice say, "after he is sworn in".
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There's a difference in dreams and reality... which is something Obama (and perhaps the pastor) has not figured out though.
Dreams do not necessarily come true. But the reality of the day, those things into which we can each delve dictate the path this country takes.
Obama might wish to destroy the country, but the only way to do it is to take our guns and he's about to succeed on that front too.
(Those things I mentioned, that I could remember came from another person you laid it out pretty clearly. All are real events, not dreams too....)
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We will soon see just how far this Administration will take this.
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I think someone needs to kick the legs out from under this administration.
I don't think standing around and waiting is the right thing to do, writing and letting them know in no uncertain terms they are NOT going to "carry this" any further is the only stance we should have right now.
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Boehner: Will consider gun-control legislation
By Molly K. Hooper - 12/20/12 02:01 PM ET
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Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) on Thursday refused to rule out a vote on gun-control legislation in the next Congress.
The highest-ranking elected Republican lawmaker said that he would take the recommendations of a commission led by Vice President Joe Biden on gun control "under advisement."
This kind of leadership is contributing to the fall, people need to make their plans accordingly.
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Obama will sign it. It will pass obstacles in the house and the senate, it will pass and then what? I know the obvious answer...I'm looking more at specifics.
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You want someone here to say, "We go to war"? Or, "let's get together and ....x"?
Not gonna happen. lol *I* won't be the first one to lay out a plan online.
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You want someone here to say, "We go to war"? Or, "let's get together and ....x"?
Not gonna happen. lol *I* won't be the first one to lay out a plan online.
Not where I was going with that.
I was not looking for an operational plan for a civil war. It would be foolish to discuss it even if it were something any of us were planning to do, which, for the record, I am not.
I meant...so they pass the law, it bans everything. Then what?
The coming knocking at the door? Agents start dying? They seize bank accounts of anyone with guns? I mean...how does this thing play out.
How exactly is tyranny visited upon the American people by it's government? I suspect a signature on such a gun ban document will be akin to a death warrant they sign themselves. They won't see it that way but I believe ultimately they will. There are enough people willing to go to war over it, they should be fearful. That they are not shows just how much hubris exists in the federal government.