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Well, no, I don't mean that. I mean that in the cold war there were specific triggers we would be watching for to indicate the Soviets were about to do something stupid.
There is no "Cold War" with the Soviet Union but there certainly IS a Cold War with Russia, China and other Communist nations, and those connected and associated with them. That includes North Korea, Venezuela, and MOST ME countries that ties with Russia, China and North Korea. In particular Iran.
Point being the stuff is coming to a head and its going to blow a hole through the roof of Civilization.
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Maybe... but to me anything other than some kind of an EMP, out right invasion or take down of the economy is bordering on nothing more than speculation and conspiracy theory.
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I think the Iran is going to happen. I can't Imagine Israel taking out Iraq and Syria's facilities and letting Iran of all people have them...I just don't think that of all people they would let them have them.
If we make it to the fall and Obama is clearly going to win then Israel goes for it (I am not certain they can do a 100% job either). Why wait and see because this administration isn't going to help them now and especially not in a second term.
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michael2
You mean, until something happens, right?
We'll find ourselves in another '9-11'/Pearl Harbor situation once again with our collective pants down.
No, I don't mean "until something happens".
When something happens the conspiracy theorists come out of the wood work.
No, we will have an EMP, or an out right invasion.
There will be small terrorist attacks in our country - as usual. There MIGHT be something ramping up with Iran right now and we're doing absolutely NOTHING about it because, like YOU, Obama believes we should "leave them alone".
So be it.
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For the last time. I am NOT confusing some other country's national security with ours.
YOU are.
it's OURS I'm concerned about and it's NOT time to "leave them alone", it's NOT time to "apologize" for "accidentally burning the Koran".
it's time to kick Iran's ass and tell Afghanistan to pound sand up their asses when it comes to the Koran and Sharia Law.
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Egyptian Official: War with Israel, US in Three Months
MEMRI: Egyptian presidential candidate declared that Egyptian Army will engage in armed warfare against Israel, US, EU within three months.
By Rachel Hirshfeld First Publish: 2/21/2012, 4:52 PM
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Egyptian Presidential Candidate Tawfiq Okasha declared last week that the Egyptian Army will engage in armed warfare against Israel, the United States and the European Union within three months.
The declaration, made in a segment translated into English by The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) on February 9, Okasha slso said that "like the Nazis, the Jews aim to rule and own the world.”
“Hitler’s principle was that the best race must become master of the world… Hitler established German Nazism to rule and own the world. On the other hand, we find that this is precisely the same philosophy as that of the Israelites and the Jews who say: we are the Semitic people, we are the best in the world, and we must rule and own the world, because the Semites are the kings of the earth and all that is upon it,” he said.
“Hitler knew that the Jews uphold the same ideology…. Hitler believed that the Germans were the masters of the world, whereas the Jews believed that they are the masters of the world.”
“Thus, a battle ensued. Either the Jews would destroy Hitler, so that they would be able to continue pursuing their goals of ruling the world, or else, Hitler would annihilate the Jews…”
He continued to state that, “Hitler was defeated because the Jews conducted a clandestine battle against him. Two if Hitler’s advisors were working for the Jews… Hence, the Jews managed to get close to Hitler, by means of his closest advisors.”
Addressing the interviewer, he asked, “See how long the Jews have been conspiring against the world? Since the end of WWII.”
It seems quite inaccurate, though, that he is blaming the Jews of “conspiring against the world” only “since the end of “WWII.” After all, weren’t those the same accusations used by Nazi propaganda prior to the onset of the war, and in fact, for hundreds and hundreds of years?
He then went on to say that Israel, America and the European Union are planning to destroy three institutions in Egypt with “exceptional malice,” namely the Egyptian general intelligence agency, the Egyptian armed forces, and the Egyptian military intelligence.
He then declared, “as of today, the war effort of the people has begun.
This is essential, a war effort!”
“This is a fierce and bitter battle which began without any shooting, but will end with shooting. I say this here and now, the Egyptian army will open fire on the armies of the enemies,” he proclaimed.
When asked exactly when an armed war would begin, he replied, “within three months.”
Re: Prepare Now for the Coming Middle East War
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michael2
I don't know whether you're confusing some other country's national security for your own or not, or whether you would recognize the situation as being that or not, it doesn't really matter.
Sometimes, Michael, folks are actually in a better position to see a bigger picture than those who've developed a very narrow sense of the world. So I would say, that I certainly recognize what is "national security" related much better, than say... you.
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As I'm saying we should be like the Swiss, who don't get involved in others affairs and everybody thinks the cost is too high to mess with them-amazingly they have good relations with everybody.
Amazingly, we're NOT the Swiss and we're nothing like them.
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How could you possibly convince yourself that my position-which was that of the Founding Fathers-is putting another country's national security ahead of my own?
I'm honestly unsure where you're going with that statement. Somehow you've attributed something to me which isn't true. The so called "Israel-First" bullshit. I do not believe any such thing and therefore since it isn't true, your argument has succeeded only in showing your own ignorance.
The fact of the matter is that Israel is a Westernized country sitting in a sea of barbarians and barbaric behaviors, with the leader of Iran stating that "Israel should be wiped from the face of the Earth".
Somehow you consider that "fighting among the children" - when Iran calls them "the Small Satan" and the US the "Great Satan".
Anything that happens to Israel first will be target practice for them against the United States later.
THAT right there is a National Security Issue.
I will advise you not to bother insulting me again with those kinds of remarks (calling me an Israel Firster). It's an insult and it's anti-Semitic.
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Then you divert things by talk of kicking Iran's ass and Afghanistan's too...
Umm "divert"? No, that would be YOU. Look at the title of the thread, Michael.
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Why not just leave everybody the hell alone and make the consequences of them not leaving us alone in return too grim for them to bear?
I'll give you an example. You're a kid walking through the school yard. The school bully is picking on two smaller kids, taking their lunch money. You KNOW it is WRONG and yet, you choose to "stay out of it" because you don't want to bother the bully. You're reasonably certain the little kids COULD take the bully if they wanted to but are pretty sure they don't know karate and you're also reasonably sure the bully carries a knife too.
So you leave them alone and go your own way.
The following week after taking the little kids' lunch monies, the bully and his buddies stop you. You're much bigger, you know karate but there's several of them and they want YOUR lunch money now.
The little kids are now being ignored, so they are going to help you.
You're on your own now.... All it would take is a few well placed kicks to win this - but, honestly, why would you wait until it got that far?
All one of the extra guys has to do is blind side you.
Apply that to this real life situation and you can see that it's not a matter of "leaving them alone", it's a matter of asserting the strength of one stronger "kid on the block" to prevent the "bullying" which eventually will turn violent and not just against the "little kid on the block" but against the big kid too.
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They and their problems would stay over there-or they get their lands glassed over-and we trade and have good relations with everyone like we used to before we became Riyadh and Tel Aviv's little bitch.
There biggest problem with your statement is simple mindedness. We've never "glassed over" anyone's country before and most likely will not unless someone else launches such an attack on us first.
By then, it's too late.
Somehow I don't get your thinking on the part about us being anyone's bitch. If ANYTHING we're Islam's bitch now. Because we won't stand up to them.
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They fight their own battles and we concentrate on things like our border with Mexico....You know, OUR national security. If they threaten to cut off our energy supply, well, we just go beyond fossil fuels. If we can go to the Moon, surely we can provide new and better forms of energy for our society.
OUR National Security isn't just our borders Michael. I'm sorry - but you just don't get it. I've worked with the government for over 36 years now. I've been there, been to foreign countries and have seen first hand what "national security" issues can affect us thousands of miles away.
Our border is a SMALL thing in comparison to Iran getting a nuclear weapon - because it won't stop with one. And our border security won't stop a nuke from getting in here if that was ALL we concentrated on.
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What the hell would your problem be with that?
IF Islam wasn't so antagonistic to Westerners, threatened us daily with things like beheading and murder - simply because to them we are unbelievers (infidels) then my argument might be moot.
Unfortunately, this isn't about US bothering THEM, it's about THEM trying to take over our civilization, force Sharia Law upon us all, kill those of us who refuse to convert, and in general destroy America and all western Civilization.
So my PROBLEM is that like you I want to be left alone and stay out of other countries' "problems", but unlike you I have a distinct vision of what reality is and I can see what's happening in front of face.
I think you will find that most of the folks on here see the same issues with leaving "the Middle East Alone".
it just isn't going to happen.
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michael2
Just like there were and are Nazi Racists and White Supremacists out there, there are Jewish Supremacists out there too, like the followers of the late Rabbi Kahane for example, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist for one side to find 'reasons' to loathe the other. This guy knows what excites his Moslem base, the guy running for office in Egypt, that's all.
Like I said, there are no rational political groups on any side in the Middle East. Like Netanyahu calling for 'death to all Arabs'.....All these groups rhetoric and actions escalate the tensions and make lasting peace impossible until one side or the other, or both, are in smoking ruin.
Michael.... you're entitled to your opinion, but so am I.
you're taking the side of these fucks in Egypt and Hitler?
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Geez no, didn't you read where I said there wasn't any rational actors in the Middle East region?
Sure, I saw it. I also saw, posted before that the following....
full context of what you said follows, highlights are mine.
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Just like there were and are Nazi Racists and White Supremacists out there, there are Jewish Supremacists out there too, like the followers of the late Rabbi Kahane for example, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist for one side to find 'reasons' to loathe the other. This guy knows what excites his Moslem base, the guy running for office in Egypt, that's all.
Obviously you believe the following as well:
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He continued to state that, “Hitler was defeated because the Jews conducted a clandestine battle against him. Two if Hitler’s advisors were working for the Jews… Hence, the Jews managed to get close to Hitler, by means of his closest advisors.”
Addressing the interviewer, he asked, “See how long the Jews have been conspiring against the world? Since the end of WWII.”
Logic says that if the Israelis were really "conspiring" against the Arabs since WWII - that's over 65 years by the way, WWII last 4 years roughly - don't you think there would actually have been some accomplishment on the part of the Israelis that might be of substance.
After all, they have been asking, begging, warning and even fighting since the beginning of their country for the Arabs to leave them the fuck alone.
So far, the Arabs have NOT left them "the fuck alone".
Now, why should we (the United States) start NOW leaving them alone when it is in OUR BEST INTEREST to prevent a nuclear weapon from getting in the hands of mad men?
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Peterle Matteo
It is not my business but:
Do not think the Swiss is unarmed, try to invade them and see.
Unless you (or whatever) strike them with nukes you will not get out of swiss easily.
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Second problem:
Israelis ARE Arabs, behave like Arabs, Religiously fondamentalists like Arabs, fight like Arabs.
If you ask to ordinary people :"Who is a Jew?"
Ordinary people answer :"I personally know Tom,he is Jewish."
If you ask to ordinary people :"Who is a Israeli?"
Israelis?!Those fuck...g ARABS that like to fight each other in a never ending war,putting in trouble the entire World...one does settlements the other fire missiles...
People see Israel as Arab country.
Peterle... *I* know this. Many American's and others believe the Swiss are unarmmed. If I recall correctly, they have a law that states every household SHALL own a rifle. This was what the Brits used to do.
Americans did it by default. Even before the we were a country and only British colonies.
I know better. I wish you folks would give me some credit for having some intelligence.
I'm not as some like to portray me. I don't make shit up, I don't LIE, and I sure as hell KNOW what I'm talking about 99% of the time. I DO research things I don't know about before I comment.
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By the way, I DO NOT see Israel as an "Arab country".