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    ETA: Obligatory Tombstone pic...


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      California To Become a Sanctuary State

      SACRAMENTO ( — California may prohibit local law enforcement from cooperating with federal immigration authorities, creating a border-to-border sanctuary in the nation’s largest state as legislative Democrats ramp up their efforts to battle President Donald Trump’s migration policies.

      The legislation is scheduled for its first public hearing Tuesday as the Senate rushes to enact measures that Democratic lawmakers say would protect immigrants from the crackdown that the Republican president has promised.

      Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
      "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
      “You Americans are so gullible.
      No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
      We won’t have to fight you."
      We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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        Officials announce proposal that would establish California as separate nation

        Officials announce proposal that would establish California as separate nation

        Published January 27, 2017
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        A proposal in California has been submitted to the Secretary of State’s Office on Thursday campaigning for the state to secede from the United States.

        The proposed “Calexit” initiative would ask voters to repeal part of the state constitution that declares California an inseparable part of the U.S.

        A recent poll suggested that one in three California residents would support a possible secession from the U.S. due to their opposition to President Donald Trump. No mention has been made of the president in the proposal.

        If the proposal qualifies for the ballot and is approved by voters, it could be a step to a future vote on whether the state would break away from the rest of the nation.
        More on this...

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        Secretary of State Alex Padilla said the group behind the proposal, Yes California Independence Campaign, was cleared to begin attempting to collect nearly 600,000 voter signatures needed to place the plan on the ballot.

        The Los Angeles Times reported that the supporters of the proposal have said California does not share the same cultural ideas as the rest of America.

        Similar attempts to establish California as a nation, or break it into multiple states, have failed.

        The proposed constitutional amendment, titled California Nationhood, would also ask voters to repeal language that states the U.S. Constitution is the supreme law. If approved, it calls for scheduling a vote in 2019 to ask voters, "Should California become a free, sovereign and independent country?"

        "America already hates California, and America votes on emotions," Marcus Evans, vice president of Yes California told to the Los Angeles Times. "I think we'd have the votes today if we held it."

        The campaign must submit the valid voter signatures by July 25 to qualify for the ballot.

        The Associated Press contributed to this report.


        Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
        "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
        “You Americans are so gullible.
        No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
        We won’t have to fight you."
        We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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          Originally posted by vector7 View Post
          The Los Angeles Times reported that the supporters of the proposal have said California does not share the same cultural ideas as the rest of America.

          You are goddamned right!


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            California Dems Pass Bill to ‘Freeze Out ICE’ Passes Committee

            SB 54 specifically prohibits almost all cooperation and communication with federal immigration authorities.

            By Katy Grimes —— Bio and Archives February 2, 2017
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            ​In​ ​t​​​he California State Senate​ Monday​,​ ​Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de Léon (D-Los Angeles) and fellow Democrats passed Senate Resolution 16, condemning President Donald J. Trump’s recent executive order restricting travel from terror-prone countries and suspending the refugee program.

            The text of the resolution declares that Trump’s executive order “desecrates our American values and panders to fears and nativist instincts that have resulted in some of our nation’s most shameful acts.”

            Trump’s executive order temporarily halts refugee admissions for 120 days to research and improve the vetting process, and caps refugee admissions at 50,000 for the iscal year 2017. There is no mention of Muslims anywhere in the executive order, which seeks “to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States.” It also restricts travel for 90 days for most entrants from seven terror-prone countries previously identified by the Obama administration.

            Sen. Hannah BethJackson (D-Santa Barbara), a lawyer, said the executive order “is a violation of the Constitution,” claiming it violates religious freedoms. “Only in a dictatorship or totalitarian state does this happen,” Jackson said. “This is how we end up with fascism.”

            Opportunistic California Democrats are presenting bills to refute the recent immigration executive orders of President Donald J. Trump, to protect Americans.

            Tuesday,​ ​Sen. De Leon, D-Los Angeles,​ ​presented​ ​SB 54​ t​o the Senate public Safety Committee​, and​ ​said, ”immigrants are valuable and essential members of the California community” and all attempts to enforce immigration laws create fear of the police among “immigrant community members” who fear “approaching police when they are victims of, and witnesses to, crimes.”
            Despite the wave of refugees coming to the United States from Syria and Iraq under the Obama administration, California Democrats are denying national security issues, in favor of political opportunism. California is home to the largest illegal-alien population in the country, with 35 sanctuary cities. President-elect Trump has vowed to build a border wall and deport immigrants that have a criminal record, which he estimates to be two-three million.

            Several bills authored by Senate Democrats in the California State Legislature are meant to be a thumb in the eye of President Donald J. Trump over immigration laws.

            California’s long-standing history of welcoming immigrants overrides illegal immigration enforcement

            SB 6 by Sen. Ben Hueso would create a state program to fund legal representation for illegal aliens facing deportation, and AB 3 by Assemblyman Rob Bonta to create taxpayer-funded training for defense attorneys and public defenders on immigration law for illegal aliens.

            The third bill, SB 54 by Sen. Pres. Pro Tem Kevin de León, heard Tuesday in the Senate Public Safety Committee, seeks to restrict local police and sheriffs from working with federal immigration enforcers. SB 54 prohibits law enforcement from responding to federal requests for notification when a jail houses someone who might be the subject of an immigration enforcement action. Whether the immigrants are here legally or not, and whether they have committed crimes in the United States, this bill effectively prohibits communications between local law enforcement and federal authorities.

            SB 54 specifically prohibits almost all cooperation and communication with federal immigration authorities.

            Sen. Pres. Pro Tem Kevin de León and California Democrats essentially want to bar state and local resources from being used for immigration enforcement. De León said Tuesday the cost to California to help U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detail suspected illegal immigrants is $65 million.

            Proponents of SB 54 claimed the Trump administration’s Executive order is just more racial profiling, and California’s long-standing history of welcoming immigrants overrides illegal immigration enforcement.

            Concerned about releasing criminal illegal aliens back into society, Sen. Jeff Stone, R- Temecula, asked repeatedly for assurances that the bill would not allow this. “When we have dangerous felons, undocumented fellons, in prison, should they NOT be deported and prosecuted under the law?” Stone asked de León. Stone said he was concerned they will be released back into communities and cause heinous crimes, similar to what happened to Kate Steinle, who was murdered by a five-time deported criminal illegal alien.

            Stone said the bill was making California a Sanctuary State, if passed in its virgin form. Stone tried to get de León to agree to an amendment regarding criminal illegal aliens, but de León resisted.

            The bill decouples criminal acts from immigration statute

            “The bill decouples criminal acts from immigration statute,” de León said. “It doesn’t stop ICE from doing their job,” dodging the question.

            Stone questioned de León again, asking if he would “be supportive of any amendment to allow local law enforcement to pick up dangerous criminal immigrants.”

            “It’s not necessary,” de León said. “There is nothing stopping ICE from getting the individual.”

            Another dodge from Stone’s question, splitting hairs. Stone asked if local law enforcement would be able to assist ICE only in cases of criminal illegal aliens, and de León replied, there is nothing stopping ICE from doing this – no mention of local law enforcement assistance.

            “What is particularly alarming is a very false dichotomy, fueled by hyperbole and rhetoric,” said Committee Chairwoman Sen. Nancy Skinner, D-Berkeley. “All of us want hardened criminals prosecuted under the law. We are watching now a pitting of the people against each other – of immigrants. That is not right.” Skinner talked again, for the third or fourth time in two days about “easily manipulatable fear,” and said “the state of California will not be compliant with authoritarian policies.”

            Cynthia Buiza of the California Immigrant Policy Center, a witness at the hearing in support of SB 54, launched into an out-of-order editorial, calling Trump’s order “anti-immigrant, zenophobic and propaganda,” explains more from her organization’s website: “The California Values Act answers the ugly slurs of xenophobia with a simple but profound truth: all people are created equal. Against Trump and other forces who seek to demonize and persecute immigrants, the Golden State must embrace and defend our common humanity and deepest values. Getting law enforcement out of painful deportations, protecting the integrity of public spaces, and rejecting any registry which target Muslims will send a potent message to the nation – and the world.”

            From the Bill:

            SB-54 would, among other things, prohibit state and local law enforcement agencies and school police and security departments from using resources to investigate, detain, detect, report, or arrest persons for immigration enforcement purposes, or to investigate, enforce, or assist in the investigation or enforcement of any federal program requiring registration of individuals on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, or national or ethnic origin, as specified. The bill would require state agencies to review their confidentiality policies and identify any changes necessary to ensure that information collected from individuals is limited to that necessary to perform agency duties and is not used or disclosed for any other purpose, as specified. The bill would require public schools, hospitals, and courthouses to establish and make public policies that limit immigration enforcement on their premises and would require the Attorney General, in consultation with appropriate stakeholders, to publish model policies for use by those entities for those purposes.

            SB 54 passed the Senate Public Safety Committee along party lines.

            ​The Resolution​

            On the heels of demanding the White House release First Lady Melania Trump’s immigration documents, Sen. Nancy Skinner (D-Berkeley) accused legislative Republicans of “playing fast and loose with the facts.” Skinner then claimed that President Trump has financial interests in Middle Eastern countries not included in the order.

            Other Democrats were critical of the order being announced on International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Several quoted the poem by Martin Niemöller, the Protestant pastor who was an outspoken foe of Adolf Hitler.

            Prior to voting on the resolution, Sen. Pres. De Léon recited his own version of

            Niemöller’s poem:

            First they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the teachers, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the scientists, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the environmentalists, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the LGBT, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for the strong women, and I did not speak out—
            Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

            The resolution also passed on a party line vote, 26-11.



            Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
            "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
            “You Americans are so gullible.
            No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
            We won’t have to fight you."
            We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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              California Dems tap Eric Holder to fight Trump in court

              By David Wright and Kyung Lah, CNN

              Updated 3:40 PM ET, Wed January 4, 2017

              Source: CNN

              California Democrats ready to fight Trump 02:40

              • Former attorney general Eric Holder will serve as legal counsel to California Democrats
              • The move comes as California Democrats prepare for a series of legal battles with Trump

              (CNN)Democratic leaders of the California state legislature have hired Eric Holder, the former attorney general during the Obama administration, to serve as outside legal counsel as they prepare for a series of court battles with President-elect Donald Trump's White House.

              In a statement released Wednesday, California Senate President Kevin de Leon and Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon -- both Democrats -- announced they had "hired outside legal counsel to advise on potential legal challenges with the incoming Trump administration."

              "With the upcoming change in administrations, we expect that there will be extraordinary challenges for California in the uncertain times ahead," the state leaders said. They vowed to protect "California's economy and our sensible policies on climate change, health care, civil rights, and immigration."

              To accomplish that goal, the legislature said it retained the Covington & Burling law firm, led by Holder.
              RELATED: California Dems ready to fight Trump's immigration plans

              "Mr. Holder and his team will serve as outside legal counsel to the Legislature, advising us in our efforts to resist any attempts to roll back the progress California has made."

              CNN has reached out to the Trump transition team for comment and have not yet received a response.
              In the statement, Holder said that he was "honored" that his legal firm had been tapped by the California legislature, and said he is "confident that our expertise across a wide array of federal legal and regulatory issues will be a great resource."

              The California legislature's move to hire Holder, a high-profile Obama alum, adds to the deep-blue state's reputation as the center of liberal opposition to the new Trump administration.

              "This is a critical moment in the history of our nation. We have an obligation to defend the people who elected us and the policies and diversity that make California an example of what truly makes our nation great," the state's Democratic leaders said.

              State Democratic leaders have promised to fight to maintain "sanctuary cities" -- something Trump pledged to fight during his presidential campaign -- and De Leon, with Rendon, introduced sweeping state legislation in late December to blunt Trump's expected immigration policies. The measures, expected to pass early this year, would offer undocumented immigrants more access to legal help and would further spell out the limits of local law enforcement's cooperation with federal immigration agents.

              De León, California's first Latino elected leader of the state Senate in more than a century, has been signaling his willingness to fight Republicans since Trump was elected.

              "We don't want to fight," he said in December. "We're not looking for a fight. But if necessary, we will fight to protect the values of California. Given what I've seen so far with regard to the Cabinet selections, there probably is going to be a fight around the corner very, very soon."

              U.S. Government vs. California – Let The Battle Begin!

              Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press

              by Jon Fleischman9 Feb 201751
              On Tuesday, former Attorney General Eric Holder, one of President Barack Obama’s longest serving Cabinet members, paid a visit to one of his newest clients: the California State Legislature.

              Holder, who returned back to private practice as a partner with the law firm of Convington and Burling in the fall of 2015, was hired by the California legislature as part of an aggressive posturing by California’s Democratic leaders against the presidency and policies of Donald Trump.

              On November 9, the day after Trump won the election, State Senate President Kevin De Léon and Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon issued a strong joint statement that began with them saying that they “… woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land …”.

              The statement went on to say, in part, “While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is great than any one many or party.

              We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our constitution.”

              In January, as the legislature was hiring Holder, Democratic Governor Jerry Brown delivered a fiery State of the State Address, issuing a de facto broadside against the then-President-elect, making it clear that the State of California would defend itself against efforts by the federal government to encroach on the Golden State’s ability to protect illegal aliens, preserve government healthcare, and continue programs designed to combat global warming.

              When the hiring of Holder was announced in early January, it was revealed that his firm would be paid $25,000 a month. But it remains unclear exactly what Holder will be doing for that hefty compensation. And whatever he is doing is apparently being kept under wraps.

              At the State Capitol on Tuesda,y Holder, along with a phalanx of lawyers from his office, spent the morning in separate meetings with the State Senate and State Assembly Democratic Caucuses – and then in the afternoon they met with Governor Brown, De Léon and Rendon behind closed doors (with newly-appointed Attorney General Xavier Bacerra not present, but calling in).

              It is noteworthy that the legislature’s minority Republican members were specifically excluded from the meetings that Holder had with Democrats — which is concerning, because Holder and his firm are being paid with taxpayer funds.

              Holder made a brief appearance outside of the governor’s office to make a statement to the press. He said: “I’m here just to assist these gentlemen and the people they serve in trying to protect the interest of the people of California.”

              But when questioned further on how he would do that, Holder coyly responded, “Well…”.
              The strong posturing by California Democrats is setting the table for a major battle between President Trump and the Republican Congress on the one hand, and the ideologically left-wing leaders of the largest state in the union.

              Yesterday’s confirmation of Attorney General Jeff Sessions is a harbinger for what will likely be the first point of confrontation. Sessions, like President Trump, is an immigration hard-liner, and we can expect the Justice Department to start cracking down on “sanctuary cities” (many of which are in California) right away, which can mean cuts in federal funding. There are other, even more controversial tools available to Session to deal with those flaunting American laws.

              The response to this threat to sanctuary cities Democrats in the legislature? De Léon has introduced and fast-tracked Senate Bill 54, which would in essence make California a sanctuary state, by restricting all local law enforcement agencies throughout the state from cooperating with the federal immigration authorities.

              Of course, no state in the union is more invested in Obamacare than California, and Democrats fear (for good reason) that Republicans in Washington will soon be removing the federal funding for this program, leaving Sacramento Democrats with a massive hole (estimated to be more than $15 billion dollars) in their considerable state budget, as well as considerable heartache.

              As President of the United States, Donald Trump is America’s leader and Commander-in-Chief. He will face many foreign policy challenges all around the globe. But many of those may pale in comparison to the policy war that is about to take place between the United States of America and her largest state.

              This promises to be one hell of a match, with the fighters having taken their corners.

              Jon Fleischman is Politics Editor for Breitbart California. His columns appear regularly on this page. He has been a participant and observer of California politics and policy for nearly three decades. You can follow him on Twitter here.

              Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
              "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
              “You Americans are so gullible.
              No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
              We won’t have to fight you."
              We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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                California Goes Confederate

                Victor Davis Hanson |Posted: Feb 09, 2017 12:01 AM
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                Over sixty percent of California voters went for Hillary Clinton -- a margin of more than 4 million votes over Donald Trump.

                Since Clinton's defeat, the state seems to have become unhinged over Trump's unexpected election.

                "Calexit" supporters brag that they will have enough signatures to qualify for a ballot measure calling for California's secession from the United States.

                Some California officials have talked of the state not remitting its legally obligated tax dollars to the federal government. They talk of expanding its sanctuary cities into an entire sanctuary state that would nullify federal immigration law.

                Californians also now talk about the value of the old Confederate idea of "states' rights." They whine that their state gives far too much revenue to Washington and gets too little back.

                Residents boast about how their cool culture has little in common with the rest of the U.S. Some Californians claim the state could easily go it alone, divorced from the United States.

                Sound a bit familiar?

                In December 1860, South Carolina seceded from the Union in furor over the election of Abraham Lincoln.

                Lincoln did not receive 50 percent of the popular vote. He espoused values the state insisted did not reflect its own.

                In eerie irony, liberal California is now mirror-imaging the arguments of reactionary South Carolina and other Southern states that vowed to go it alone in 1860 and 1861.

                Like California, South Carolina insisted it could nullify federal laws within its state borders.

                Like California, South Carolina promised to withhold federal revenues.

                Like California, South Carolina and other Confederate states bragged that their unique economies did not need the Union.

                They boasted that "King Cotton" had created the wealthiest class in the United States. Silicon Valley now often assumes that Google, Facebook, Apple and others are near-trillion-dollar companies that are a world unto their own.

                Slavery and the extravagant income from cotton warped the Southern economy and culture. A wealthy plantation elite, with its millions of exploited slaves, ensured that there would be virtually no middle, working or small-business class.

                Huge estates were surrounded by the impoverished shacks of servants. Hardscrabble farmers or small businessmen often fled westward to escape the shackles of wealth disparity.

                The export-dependent Southern elite demanded unfettered free trade. It offered bitter resistance to Northern protectionism.

                South Carolina elites were opposed to federal infrastructure projects such as the building of roads, canals, bridges and reservoirs, and other such unwelcome "progress."

                Confederates boasted that their antebellum culture was more romantic, natural, pristine, healthy and moral than was the bustle, grime and hyper-capitalism of Northern industrialism.

                Southern aristocrats believed that they were culturally superior -- in terms of music, art and literature -- to other Americans.

                Of course, this is 2017, not 1860, and California is super-liberal, not an antebellum slave-owning society.

                Nonetheless, what is driving California's current efforts to nullify federal law and the state's vows to secede from the U.S. are some deeper -- and creepy -- similarities to the arrogant and blinkered Old South.

                California is likewise becoming a winner-take-all society. It hosts the largest numbers of impoverished and the greatest number of rich people of any state in the country. Eager for cheap service labor, California has welcomed in nearly a quarter of the nation's undocumented immigrants. California has more residents living in poverty than any other state. It is home to one third of all the nation's welfare recipients.

                The income of California's wealthy seems to make them immune from the effects of the highest basket of sales, income and gas taxes in the nation. The poor look to subsidies and social services to get by. Over the last 30 years, California's middle classes have increasingly fled the state.

                "Gone With the Wind"-like wealth disparity in California is shocking to the naked eye. Mostly poor Redwood City looks like it's on a different planet from tony nearby Atherton or Woodside.

                The California elite, wishing to keep the natural environment unchanged, opposes internal improvements and sues to stop pipelines, aqueducts, reservoirs, freeways and affordable housing for the coastal poor.

                California's crumbling roads and bridges sometimes resemble those of the old rural South. The state's public schools remain among the nation's poorest. Private academies are booming for the offspring of the coastal privileged, just as they did among the plantation class of the South.

                California, for all its braggadocio, cannot not leave the U.S or continue its states'-rights violations of federal law. It will eventually see that the new president is not its sickness, nor are secession and nullification its cures.

                Instead, California is becoming a reactionary two-tier state of masters and serfs whose culture is as peculiar and out of step with the rest of the country as was the antebellum South's. No wonder the state lashes out at the rest of the nation with threatened updated versions of the Old Confederacy's secession and nullification.

                But such reactionary Confederate obstructionism is still quite an irony given California's self-righteous liberal preening.

                Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
                "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
                “You Americans are so gullible.
                No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
                We won’t have to fight you."
                We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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                  Good piece by VDH!


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                    The chances our differences will be resolved without bloodshed are diminishing...

                    I know it's always easy to MMQB but I can honestly say this is one instance I wouldn't have a problem engaging someone with a rifle (well an AR pistol) with a handgun since Mr. Whirlstar is busy trying to juggle his phone, AR pistol, and pilfered Trump flag all at the same time.

                    And I can also honestly say that as soon as that AR pistol came out, I'd be clearing leather and engaging. Just remember, private citizens don't have to issue verbal warnings in a deadly force situation.

                    Really hope I never have to face this scenario...


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                      That's scary!!! ^^^

                      Stop LYING to yourself: The Left wants you DEAD!


                      Published on Feb 17, 2017

                      The NY Post has owned that Obama is running a shadow government that is fomenting a coup, and THIS WEEK we have video this week of a Trump supporter being threatened by a man wielding a rifle in public:


                      Nikita Khrushchev: "We will bury you"
                      "Your grandchildren will live under communism."
                      “You Americans are so gullible.
                      No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism.
                      We won’t have to fight you."
                      We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands."


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                        Gun-Totin' Left-Wingers Demonstrate at the Arizona Capitol: Is Bloodshed on the Horizon?

                        March 26, 2017

                        At least, that was my first impression upon seeing about 40 or so assorted anarchists, Brown Berets, and members of a group calling itself the Phoenix John Brown Gun Club across the street from the state Capitol, openly armed to the proverbial teeth.

                        I was late to the pro-Trump "Make America Great Again" march, which began at Cesar Chavez Plaza — after some confusion about the demonstration's starting at the now past-tense "Patriots Square Park" — and ended at the lawn of the Arizona Capitol.

                        So I headed straight to the Capitol, but the pro-Trump event was petering out. One of the cops present told me that the MAGA march consisted of a group of about 100.

                        However, across the street, on the Wesley Bolin Memorial Plaza-side of 17th Avenue were the left-wingers, some of them masking their faces, some not. Many of them were armed with long guns. You know, just like the "patriot" groups.

                        While I was taking photographs of them, a woman approached me and told me that the group would not be granting interviews. She gave me a flier with a statement from something called the "Redneck Revolt," which according to the flier aims to "put the RED back in redneck."

                        The flier directed people to a Facebook page and a website, and the woman said that I could contact them after the fact to ask questions.

                        About that time, the group lined up, double-file, and began walking toward 19th Avenue.

                        Since you don't every day see groups of left-wingers totin' semi-automatic rifles, strolling down the sidewalk, I figured I would follow them and record this odd phenomenon via Facebook Live.

                        Earlier, the spokeswoman told me that someone with the Brown Berets might talk with me, but she later came up as I was recording the group with my iPhone, and told me the Brown Berets were keeping it zipped as well.

                        She also asked me to stop filming. And I told her I wasn't going to do that, because we were on public property.

                        As I walked next to them, we would encounter obstacles, like parked cars, and so forth, and I mostly would go around the other side of the obstacle, and then catch back up with the group.

                        But at one point, I walked next to a dude in a yellow headscarf, whom I'd tried to talk with before, and I brushed against him, unintentionally.

                        I didn't think much of it, as the sidewalk is only so big, but he apparently took offense, because in retaliation, he walked backwards into me, pushing me aside.

                        This is the sort of thing that I would normally expect from the right-wing militia-types, but, in reality, the group was little more than an ad hoc left-wing militia. So I shouldn't have been surprised.

                        Needless to say, this ticked me off and my language was a tad salty. Eventually, the group stopped, and a guy in sunglasses demanded to see my credentials.

                        I told him I was with Phoenix New Times, but I wasn't going to show him anything unless he identified himself to me.

                        He would not do this, and the conversation went back and forth, with him asking me to stop filming and leave, and me informing him that we're in a public place and I'm not going anywhere.

                        "I'm just going to warn you that we're not responsible for anything that might happen to that phone," he told me, meaning the phone I was holding.

                        The spokeswoman approached, justifying their request that I not film because they were "trying to protect the safety and identity of our members."

                        Since many were hiding their faces already, I didn't see this as much of an issue. But I informed her that we live in a free society and that means, when you are demonstrating in a public place, the press gets to film you.

                        Amusingly, a couple of them were filming me with their iPhones as I filmed them. The spokeswoman then raised a new issue: They did not want me to follow them to their cars and film their cars.

                        After some more back and forth, they told me that their real concern was that I might film their license plates and that's the reason they were acting this way.

                        Till this point, filming their license plates hadn't occurred to me. Nevertheless, I told them it was a dumb request because they were likely parked in public spaces, and I could almost guarantee that the cops had all of their info. So why worry about me?

                        Plus, a license plate is supposed to be in plain view. It is not "private" information. You display it on your car, for Chrissakes.

                        By the way, I did the same thing to the Arizona Liberty Guard at the March4Trump a couple of weeks ago. I followed them, watched them get into their Army surplus trucks, and filmed them until they drove away.

                        While I was talking to a handful of the lefties, some ran off, got their cars, and came back to pick up their comrades from the south side of Adams Street.

                        These progressive goons with guns tried to block me, but I did film some them driving away. The denouement of this encounter was especially ludicrous, as you will see if you watch the video that I have posted.

                        All apologies for my fumbling with my iPhone at the end. When the sun is beaming down on you, it's somewhat difficult to find the "Finish" button.

                        I made a comment on the video that this entire event proved that the far left can be as hostile to the First Amendment as the far right.

                        And that's coming from a big, fat liberal.

                        In hindsight, it occurs to me that if a left-wing militia and a right-wing militia, such as the ALG, cross paths at an future demonstration, there very easily could be bloodshed.

                        Both sides are loaded for bear. And I get the feeling both sides can rationalize their behavior after the fact, even if it comes down to killing someone.

                        I'm reminded of the 1979 shootout in Greensboro, North Carolina, when a "Death to the Klan" rally held by the Communist Workers Party was crashed by Klan and Nazi members.

                        Five people lost their lives, four of them CWP members.

                        It may be just a matter of time before history repeats itself.

                        However, this being Arizona, there's a lot more firepower on both sides, and I suspect, if it goes down, the body count will be higher.

                        More pics if you're interested:


                        John Brown Gun Club on FB:

                        Counter Intel:



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                          Oregon: Terrebonne Man Jailed After Clashes Erupt At Salem Trump Rally

                          March 26, 2017

                          Clashes broke out Saturday at the Oregon Capitol when about 200 people gathered for a rally to support President Trump and about 50 anti-Trump protesters showed up. Oregon State Police said a Terrebonne man was arrested after he used pepper spray on a trooper and was found to be carrying a concealed gun, in violation of his status as a convicted felon.

                          Troopers responded around 11 a.m. to the area just outside the Capitol where some of the 200 to 300 people of opposing groups were involved in a disturbance, said Sgt. Kyle Hove, OSP public information officer.

                          Officials say up to 300 participants took part, with one rally called the "Oregon Make America Great Again March," and the other called "Salem Stands for Love."

                          (Update adding details)

                          One rally started at 9 a.m. and the other an hour later with both lasting until 2 p.m.

                          Police say the groups clashed at about 11 a.m. near the Oregon World War II Memorial.

                          Hove said Matthew Curtis Heagy, 31, of Terrebonne, used pepper spray and sprayed a trooper. He was detained and found to be carrying a concealed firearm, though Hove said the gun was never displayed during the event.

                          Heagy was arrested on charges of felon in possession of a firearm and carrying a concealed weapon, Hove said, adding that it's an active investigation and no further information is available.

                          KGW reported about 200 supporters of the president had gathered near the Capitol for what they intended to be a peaceful rally.

                          Less than a half-hour after the event began, they reported, about 50 anti-Trump protesters arrived, many wearing all black with their faces covered,

                          Less than 30 minutes later, a fistfight broke out and a crowd swarmed the area, backing away when an OSP trooper and others yelled, "He's got a gun." The station reported that one man, who appeared to be a Trump supporter, was quickly detained.

                          Organizers of the rally, who work with the newly founded Northwest Trump Alliance for Change, told KGW they were disappointed with the turn of events, though they knew counter-protesters were planned.

                          "We are really looking to work with everybody and not just people on our side," Frank George IV said.

                          Marion County online jail records indicated Heagy was being held without bail, and also faces Deschutes County charges of first-degree theft and computer fraud. Online court records indicate past charges have included fourth-degree assault and coercion.


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                              Will The Second Civil War Turn Violent?

                              May 2, 2017
                              By Dennis Prager

                              In a recent column, I made the case that Americans are fighting the Second Civil War. The deep chasm that has opened up between the left -- not liberals, the left -- and the rest of the country is so wide and so unbridgeable that there is no other way to describe what is happening. But I noted that at least thus far, unlike the First Civil War, this war is not violent.

                              Unfortunately, there is now reason to believe that violence is coming. In fact, it's already here. But as of now, it's only coming from one direction.

                              Left-wing thugs engage in violence and threats of violence with utter impunity. They shut down speakers at colleges; block highways, bridges and airport terminals; take over college buildings and offices; occupy state capitals; and terrorize individuals at their homes.

                              In order to understand why more violence may be coming, it is essential to understand that left-wing mobs are almost never stopped, arrested or punished. Colleges do nothing to stop them, and civil authorities do nothing to stop them on campuses or anywhere else. Police are reduced to spectators as they watch left-wing gangs loot stores, smash business and car windows, and even take over state capitals (as in Madison, Wisconsin).

                              It's beginning to dawn on many Americans that mayors, police chiefs and college presidents have no interest in stopping this violence. Left-wing officials sympathize with the lawbreakers, and the police, who rarely sympathize with thugs of any ideology, are ordered to do nothing by emasculated police chiefs.

                              Consequently, given the abdication by all these authorities of their role to protect the public, some members of the public will inevitably decide that they will protect themselves and others.

                              This ability of the left to get away with violence is one of the gravest threats to American society in its modern history. Since the Civil War, I can think of only two comparable eruptions of mob violence that authorities allowed. One was when white mobs lynched blacks. The other was the rioting by blacks, such as the Los Angeles riots 25 years ago, and the recent riots in Ferguson, Missouri, and Baltimore, Maryland.

                              Today, authorities in what we once proudly proclaimed the "Land of the Free and Home of the Brave" are intimidated to the point of paralysis.

                              And exactly what do they fear? Not violence -- they have made peace with left-wing violence. What they fear is the left-wing media. If the Black Lives Matter movement is forcefully prevented from blocking tens of thousands of cars from entering or leaving San Francisco, the police and local authorities will be labeled racist by black leaders, a smear that will then be echoed by The New York Times and rest of the left-wing media.

                              Likewise, if a college president requests enough police to come to a college campus so that a Heather Mac Donald, a Charles Murray or an Ann Coulter can deliver a lecture, some of the student-gangsters engaged in violence might be injured -- and that college president will then be pilloried by the mainstream media.

                              Furthermore, left-wing violence doesn't only succeed where it takes place. It succeeds where nothing happens. The left can now shut down places and events just by threatening violence. This is what happened last week in Portland, Oregon. One leftist called in a threat to the 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade, saying that the Republican Party contingent marching in the parade would be beaten up. The business leaders organizing the parade canceled the whole event for the first time in its 10-year history. If they'd had any reason to believe that the police would have adequately protected the marchers in left-wing Portland, one assumes (hopes?) that they would not have canceled the parade.

                              An email sent to parade organizers perfectly summed up the left's dominance of America through violence. It said, "You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely."

                              Meanwhile, the press lies about alleged white supremacists in President Trump's administration and an alleged massive surge in anti-Semitism in order to do what the left has done since Lenin: blame others while it alone organizes violence.

                              So, here's a prediction: If college presidents, mayors and police chiefs won't stop left-wing mobs, other Americans will. I hope this doesn't happen, because electing conservative Republicans and not donating money to colleges will be more effective. But it is almost inevitable.

                              Then the left-wing media -- the mainstream media -- will enter hysteria mode with reports that "right-wing fascists" are violently attacking America.

                              And that's when mayors and college presidents will finally order in the police.


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                                Today, Representative Poncho Nevarez threatened my life on the House floor after I called ICE on several illegal immigrants who held signs in the gallery which said "I am illegal and here to stay." Several Democrats encouraged the protestors to disobey law enforcement. When I told the Democrats I called ICE, Representative Ramon Romero physically assaulted me, and other Democrats were held back by colleagues. During that time Poncho told me that he would "get me on the way to my car." He later approached me and reiterated that "I had to leave at some point, and he would get me." I made it clear that if he attempted to, in his words, "get me," I would shoot him in self defense. I am currently under DPS protection. Several of my colleagues heard the threats made and witnessed Ramon assaulting me.